Bathurst Win or V8 Championship?

FAS33 · 20 May 2016, 03:17 (Ref:3643076)

We know that Jamie Whincup will finish his career as Australia's best driver of all time. But Peter Brock has won more Bathurst races. Most drivers would take the title then a Bathurst win any day of the week.

DAVID PATERSON · 20 May 2016, 03:24 (Ref:3643078)

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Originally Posted by FAS33

Most (current V8SC) drivers would take the title over a Bathurst win any day of the week.

I corrected your quote to make it more accurate and I think it shows us two things.

1. How much the status of the championship has grown over the last 30 years and
2. how much the Great Race has been devalued (relatively) over the last 20 years.

**GTRMagic** · 20 May 2016, 03:27 (Ref:3643079)

A poll of the blokes & blokettes who buy the products who make the wheels go round & round might be fun to play out...

Alan52 · 20 May 2016, 03:36 (Ref:3643084)

Agree completely with David's assessment.I chose Bathurst and it's not even close but that must be a function of age.This year is the 50th Bathurst 500/1000 I will have attended so it has more personal meaning for me than the Championship.

FAS33 · 20 May 2016, 03:50 (Ref:3643093)

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Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

I corrected your quote to make it more accurate and I think it shows us two things.

1. How much the status of the championship has grown over the last 30 years and
2. how much the Great Race has been devalued (relatively) over the last 20 years.

I'd say 99% of racing drivers would win a Championship over a single race.

peckstar · 20 May 2016, 03:51 (Ref:3643095)

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Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

I corrected your quote to make it more accurate and I think it shows us two things.

1. How much the status of the championship has grown over the last 30 years and
2. how much the Great Race has been devalued (relatively) over the last 20 years.

Im not sure your second point is correct, In my opinion, I dont think its devalued rather the championship winner has become equalised. Now they are both awesome achievements

although i guess relatively that might be devalued

I can name both winners now, where as in the past it was always about Bathurst, reckon that has been what v8 supercars set out to achieve.

Both get awards at the end of year ceremony

one five five · 20 May 2016, 05:51 (Ref:3643128)

When Tony Cochrane came on the scene in 1997 he said in time he wanted the Championship to be the holy grail, not one race.

As far as the great unwashed, the casual public are concerned, ask them who won the V8 title last year and they will say Craig Lowndes...and a few might add Steve Richards

peckstar · 20 May 2016, 05:55 (Ref:3643130)

[QUOTE=one five five;3643128
As far as the great unwashed, the casual public are concerned, ask them who won the V8 title last year and they will say Craig Lowndes...and a few might add Steve Richards[/QUOTE]

Im highly doubtful of that, totally made up, firstly you have mixed two demographics. The great unwashed are well aware who won the championship and bathurst last year. The general public, would have no minimal if any idea of either

FAS33 · 20 May 2016, 05:58 (Ref:3643131)

Most casual fans would say Craig Who?

one five five · 20 May 2016, 06:14 (Ref:3643135)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

Im highly doubtful of that, totally made up

Actually i haven't made that up, in my job i have heard the Bathurst winner referred to as the V8 Champ plenty of times by various customers of mine over the years

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Originally Posted by FAS33

Most casual fans would say Craig Who?

Thats a sad indication on Australian motor racing then, given that Craig Lowndes is the only driver who cuts into the 'mainstream' outside of the Supercars bubble...

The saddest thing of all though as far as Australian motor racing is concerned though is that Peter Brock is still our most popular racing driver...

FAS33 · 20 May 2016, 06:30 (Ref:3643138)

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Originally Posted by one five five

Thats a sad indication on Australian motor racing then

Nah not really. Nobody is sad over that.

Armco Bender · 20 May 2016, 21:48 (Ref:3643340)

The V8's have races other than Bathurst?.....

db120176 · 21 May 2016, 00:14 (Ref:3643355)

Most of my friends are not motor racing fans and would say Bathurst without a doubt. I'd previously valued both approximately equally, but these days without following the championship to Pay TV, I'm back to putting Bathurst on a pedestal

Ospi · 21 May 2016, 00:22 (Ref:3643357)

Given Paul Morris can win Bathurst, I don't place much on the quality of a pairing and their ability to fluke a victory as much as a driver's ability to be consistently quick over the course of a season.

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FAS33 · 21 May 2016, 00:36 (Ref:3643359)

If Paul Morris can win Bathurst anyone can.

Mixer · 22 May 2016, 05:55 (Ref:3643560)

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Originally Posted by Ospi

Given Paul Morris can win Bathurst, I don't place much on the quality of a pairing and their ability to fluke a victory as much as a driver's ability to be consistently quick over the course of a season.

Don't forget won it after binning it at Griffin's, if regular/correct Red Flag procedures had been followed there was no way that win would have happened.

**GTRMagic** · 22 May 2016, 06:39 (Ref:3643565)

Commercially, the brand that is on the #1 this season has rallied up a shedload of support from its retailer group franchisees on the back of the Championship win last season, and having the #1 on the door all year.

There seems to be much more of an energy/interest in the building that houses their corporate office than in prior years....

chavez · 22 May 2016, 06:59 (Ref:3643568)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

Don't forget won it after binning it at Griffin's, if regular/correct Red Flag procedures had been followed there was no way that win would have happened.

Must have missed that the correct red flag procedures were not used. What should have happened?

Henry · 22 May 2016, 20:22 (Ref:3643673)

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Originally Posted by chavez

Must have missed that the correct red flag procedures were not used.

Yeah, seems they didn't apply the clause that says "Paul Morris shouldn't win Bathurst"....

DAVID PATERSON · 23 May 2016, 06:57 (Ref:3643741)

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Originally Posted by FAS33

If Paul Morris can win Bathurst anyone can.

you haven't...

FAS33 · 23 May 2016, 07:19 (Ref:3643752)

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Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

you haven't...

Your right buddy.

So many drivers can claim a Bathurst race. But those co drivers aren't even racing fulltime. All the more reason why a single race win will never be as satisfying for them as winning a National Championship.

one five five · 23 May 2016, 07:38 (Ref:3643755)

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Originally Posted by FAS33

All the more reason why a single race win will never be as satisfying for them as winning a National Championship.

The poll doesn't agree with you

Another way to look at it is that to win a championship you just need to score the most points. To win Bathurst you have to be first across the line, and you only get one chance at that every year.

peckstar · 23 May 2016, 07:48 (Ref:3643761)

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Originally Posted by one five five

The poll doesn't agree with you

Another way to look at it is that to win a championship you just need to score the most points. To win Bathurst you have to be first across the line, and you only get one chance at that every year.

How many of the poll of 18 people, most of who reckon group A is way more awesome than v8 supercars, are actual Bathurst 1000 drivers?

FAS33 · 23 May 2016, 08:36 (Ref:3643773)

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Originally Posted by one five five

The poll doesn't agree with you

Another way to look at it is that to win a championship you just need to score the most points. To win Bathurst you have to be first across the line, and you only get one chance at that every year.

It's a poll. There are no right or wrong answers lol

You and I can attend a Bathurst race, but you and I will never race in the Championship.

Mixer · 23 May 2016, 08:43 (Ref:3643774)

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Originally Posted by chavez

Must have missed that the correct red flag procedures were not used. What should have happened?

Standard procedure as far as I have ever seen any red flag event across multiple forms of motorsport is that work cannot be done in the car while the event is stopped under a red flag.

From Wikipedia:

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The solid red flag is displayed when conditions are too dangerous to continue the session. Depending on the series and the circumstances, the cars are typically directed to proceed immediately to pit road, or to stop at a specific spot on the track. In some severe cases the cars might be required to stop immediately where they are. During red flag conditions, repair work in the pits or garage area is typically prohibited, except in non-points paying races.

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