Carrera Cup 2012 - Page 2

lala1980 · 14 Mar 2012, 10:28 (Ref:3040853)

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Originally Posted by deano2

I'm hearing 18 cars for agp..

AGP contracts usually require a minimum of 20 cars. Might explain Skaife entry

Sheep Stations · 14 Mar 2012, 18:52 (Ref:3041059)

Why would the grid requirement 'explain' Skaife entry?

He's not in the guest car. Could it be he enjoys the car and the category so has done a deal to run?

Doesn't support the death-rider arguments though does it?

T-star · 15 Mar 2012, 00:43 (Ref:3041228)

Doesn't 'explain' it...but there may or may not be incentives for teams to run?

Either way - looks a top shelf grid from what we have read.

Oldtony · 15 Mar 2012, 04:33 (Ref:3041276)

Is the Natsoft site correct?????????
Hienz Hadald Fretzen is 6.5 secs quicker than anyone else?????

kingers · 15 Mar 2012, 04:41 (Ref:3041278)

Thanks for everyones comments!!

We are desperately trying to find some funds to keep the ball rolling. "If" there were any incentives i'd be on the grid

We nearly got a deal done thanks to the efforts of a select bunch of people for giving it a red hot go.

I guess Frentzen was the only car on slicks?? I hope Tinkler has a look at Natsoft, Mr Reid has his car towards the front with his name on it.

scudd · 15 Mar 2012, 05:23 (Ref:3041287)

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Originally Posted by kingers

I guess Frentzen was the only car on slicks?? I hope Tinkler has a look at Natsoft, Mr Reid has his car towards the front with his name on it.

just txt'd barry, he said yes.

the pineapple porsche would of been punching above it's weight.

Silver 3 · 15 Mar 2012, 05:55 (Ref:3041297)

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Originally Posted by kingers

Thanks for everyones comments!!

It is a lot more fun watching and talking about positive developments in motor racing-- hope you can get it together.

Same topic-- but not specific to you only-- Porsche should be doing more to advance opportunities for talented guys that missed the first round of the draft ( Southern States reference to AFL-- guys who were not drafted at 18yo but prove hugely competent as later year recruits) .Come of these guys have shown real talent-- but do not have the accident of birth to advance their careers-- and have shown real talent in what they have done in motor racing.
To me-- 3/4/5 guys I could name would take it up to the "names" and create real interest and credibility in the category.None of the guys I have in mind would take more than a few sessions(of proper practice) to get up to speed-- and it would make this category.

kittle · 15 Mar 2012, 06:14 (Ref:3041302)

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Originally Posted by Oldtony

Is the Natsoft site correct?????????
Hienz Hadald Fretzen is 6.5 secs quicker than anyone else?????

I was thinking the samething.

http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/re...3/2012.APGP.P5

**GTRMagic** · 15 Mar 2012, 06:37 (Ref:3041305)

Mr Frentzen was on slicks the whole session, while the balance of the field werent, in very changeable conditions...

kingers · 15 Mar 2012, 06:47 (Ref:3041309)

Reid would feel pretty chuffed, Baird is super fast & consistent.

Sheep Stations · 16 Mar 2012, 20:57 (Ref:3042455)

Some fast guys here, but great to see the old dog show his craft and get the chocolates in race 1. Shame that Shane Smollens weekend has ended early with some minor rail damage. He was showing some form.

And how about Twiggy, lobs into the middle of a pro battle and has his name in front of Skaife...that natsoft sheet will go straight to the pool room

kingers · 16 Mar 2012, 22:22 (Ref:3042485)

Awesome drive by Max, it was good to see him get the spoils over Skaife. I really thought there was a possibility with that last lap shenanigans he might have picked up another two spots!

Skaife showed some experience by hanging back and getting out of the throttle a few times when J.Davo chopped him like he was Mr Miyagi.

Bairdo class act, great race by Ried to stay infront of Davision. I think today we will see Frentzen a little closer to the lead pack as he matched the leaders ultimate lap speed before that good 4 car battle.

Can't wait for todays race!!

ff s conscience · 17 Mar 2012, 08:47 (Ref:3042611)

I watched from between t13 and 14 today.

Bairdo and Frentzen do things a little different to everybody else, was very interesting to see the subtle differences of line, throttle, gears and braking. Reid impressive too, and heimgartner.... What an amazing kid.. 16yrs old!

davelise · 17 Mar 2012, 10:26 (Ref:3042664)

FF is right. Bairdo was very fast onto pit straight too. Well done Twiggy.

Sheep Stations · 17 Mar 2012, 21:55 (Ref:3043234)

Common ground guys, what's going on!?

Watched r2 at last 2 corners, Bairdo almost stops the car and man handles it to the left before powering early onto the front straight. Left Reid by 3 car lengths everytime.

formerf1champ · 17 Mar 2012, 22:47 (Ref:3043275)

Listening to Baird on SEN atm. They were talking about how Skaife was going and he was suggesting that getting V8Supercar mechanics to help him out was hurting him. He suggested that you leave the car with a base set-up and muscle it around the track.

Speaking of Baird, I thought I'd use the thread to find out the general consensus of him. His record in lower National level motorsport and including NZ (not meant to be offensive) is outstanding. However, he has not been able to translate this to a higher level anywhere. In 2000, the V8 season started well, but turned out to be an anomaly and nothing has happened since, nothing serious in V8SC or Porsche/Sportcars overseas.

So, what's his problem?

ff s conscience · 17 Mar 2012, 23:39 (Ref:3043328)

Bairdo goes well at any level in proper race cars, always did.

Good on him for NOT dumbing down his talent to become a V8 supercar specialist.
Same deal wirh Simonsen. Great drivers in proper cars, good drivers in V8s.

scudd · 18 Mar 2012, 00:12 (Ref:3043378)

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Originally Posted by ff s conscience

Bairdo goes well at any level in proper race cars, always did.

Good on him for NOT dumbing down his talent to become a V8 supercar specialist.
Same deal wirh Simonsen. Great drivers in proper cars, good drivers in V8s.

Right

He'd (baird) rather struggle through the year looking for a steer instead of being a 'Supercar specialist' and earn real coin.

#shakes head#

ff s conscience · 18 Mar 2012, 00:33 (Ref:3043398)

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Originally Posted by scudd

Right

He'd (baird) rather struggle through the year looking for a steer instead of being a 'Supercar specialist' and earn real coin.

#shakes head#

As always, you've totally missed the point, and humiliated yourself in doing so.

Bairdo ISN'T hot property in V8s, maybe because he's never dominated it like he can in GT and like he did way back in British Touring cars.

NinnyMan · 18 Mar 2012, 00:34 (Ref:3043400)

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Originally Posted by kingers

Can't wait for todays race!!

Sorry to say, but the racing seems to be very processional....more so then V8's.
The gap yesterday seemed to be about a car length or more through the top half.

I mean, I don't want to see the BS of the Red Bull Race-off farce, but it would
be nice to actually see a battle for the lead rather then follow the leader,
which is almost common place with this series.

KineticEnergy · 18 Mar 2012, 03:05 (Ref:3043627)

Be fascinated to know how that in order to become a V8Supercar specialist requires one to "dumb down" ones talent.

ff s conscience · 18 Mar 2012, 03:25 (Ref:3043657)

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Originally Posted by KineticEnergy

Be fascinated to know how that in order to become a V8Supercar specialist requires one to "dumb down" ones talent.

Yes, most V8 fans would......

Tourer · 18 Mar 2012, 04:14 (Ref:3043675)

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Originally Posted by ff s conscience

As always, you've totally missed the point, and humiliated yourself in doing so.

Bairdo ISN'T hot property in V8s, maybe because he's never dominated it like he can in GT and like he did way back in British Touring cars.

Dominated in BTCC? One season and finished 20th overall - hardly domination.

I've got heaps of time for Bairdo, both as a driver and to hang out with but let's not re-invent history eh.

ff s conscience · 18 Mar 2012, 04:20 (Ref:3043676)

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Originally Posted by Tourer

Dominated in BTCC? One season and finished 20th overall - hardly domination.

I've got heaps of time for Bairdo, both as a driver and to hang out with but let's not re-invent history eh.

Conceded, although his season placing didn'r reflect his session speed.

As a qualifier, Bairdo is right up there, and sprinting in Aero sensitive GT type cars, he's asgood as any.

Silver 3 · 18 Mar 2012, 08:20 (Ref:3043743)

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Originally Posted by NinnyMan

Sorry to say, but the racing seems to be very processional....more so then V8's.
The gap yesterday seemed to be about a car length or more through the top half.

.

Hate to harp on my earlier post-- but it needs injection of some guys with ability to upset the pecking order.
The danger of one make series is that they can easily become processional and boring(and irrelevent) if the guys at the front are not being stretched.This issue has been there from day for Carrera Cup in Australia and now that numbers are a little thin maybe it is time for Porsche to help themselves and give some real help to some of the guys with talent.
Why not test a few-- I am certain it would shock a few people who think they are in the know.
As an not entirely unrelated aside-- James Davison looks like he did a fair job-- admittedly he has had a lot of experience overseas more recently-- but he was basically nowhere in Victoria at state level.

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