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Old 15 Aug 2013, 01:17 (Ref:3289968)   #26
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Initially it did, then the flame burnt out.
He has a growing family. That may have something to do with his future decision.

Dont know his lifestyle but he should have his retirement savings taken care of.
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Old 15 Aug 2013, 07:42 (Ref:3290040)   #27
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That's the main turn-off with NASCAR for me. Cup is overflowing with fat blokes just driving round to pick up a meal-ticket.

Get some of the young hot-shoes up there. Kyle Larson, Austin Dillon etc
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Old 15 Aug 2013, 08:57 (Ref:3290076)   #28
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Shame he can't get out of his contract early. I hear Stewart-Haas have an immediate vacancy for an old fat bloke...
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Old 15 Aug 2013, 09:38 (Ref:3290089)   #29
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EGR is a lacklustre organisation so he didn't get a good deal. That said, he should be in and around McMurray's position in the standings and as it is he's way behind. I suppose Kurt will be odds on replacement. If so, it'll mesh in with his Indy 500 aspirations.
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Old 15 Aug 2013, 10:11 (Ref:3290102)   #30
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As far as potential series go, V8 Supercars is not an option. Jacques did it and failed (rather spectacularly, I might add). Formula 1 - no freaking way. JPM's too old, fat, and untalented to do anything with that career anymore - plus he's got a bad history. IndyCar is too physically demanding. I could see doing a Ganassi deal with the USCR next year, but he'd still have to start working out. If he wants to go "back on the road" and do world events, then the 2014 Porsche seat could be his if he really, really tries.[/QUOTE]

Untalented? Really? Ovals don't count - that's not proper racing. Stick him on a real racing circuit and there's no-one across the pond that can hold a candle to him. The guy is a legend.
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Untalented? Really? Ovals don't count - that's not proper racing. Stick him on a real racing circuit and there's no-one across the pond that can hold a candle to him. The guy is a legend.
Yes, calling JPM untalented, no matter the context, is absurd. But calling oval racing not proper racing is almost equally absurd. To each his/her own.

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That's the main turn-off with NASCAR for me. Cup is overflowing with fat blokes just driving round to pick up a meal-ticket.

Get some of the young hot-shoes up there. Kyle Larson, Austin Dillon etc
I agree with your sentiment of getting some more young talent in the Cup series, but "overflowing with fat blokes"? Perhaps, being a fattie myself, your opinion and my opinion of "fat" differ, but I count Smoke, Newman and I guess we are now including JPM. So less than 5; hardly overflowing. And I think most of them do it for more than just a meal ticket.
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Old 15 Aug 2013, 11:14 (Ref:3290132)   #32
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EGR is a lacklustre organisation so he didn't get a good deal. That said, he should be in and around McMurray's position in the standings and as it is he's way behind. I suppose Kurt will be odds on replacement. If so, it'll mesh in with his Indy 500 aspirations.
If you believe all the stories, the number of promotional days and promotional activities Mr Montoya was required to put in to maintain the Target and friends' sponsorship was said to be the lightest in the field. Somewhere close to 4/5ths of stuff all...

Now if you can find an undemanding sponsor like that, and get 7 years out of that relationship of underachievement, I reckon its a bloody amazing deal...
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Old 15 Aug 2013, 14:46 (Ref:3290209)   #33
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Target has been sponsoring Ganassi for going on 25 years. That relationship has very little to do with JPM, but he did win a CART championship and the Indy 500 not so very long ago.
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Old 15 Aug 2013, 15:02 (Ref:3290215)   #34
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His only realistic option is to find another Nascar seat. Anything else would not pay enough or be interesting enough.
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His only realistic option is to find another Nascar seat.
3 or 4 years ago yes but nowadays I don't see that happen anymore.


Moving to the Ganassi GrandAm/USCR team is no option?
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Old 16 Aug 2013, 00:05 (Ref:3290460)   #36
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If I were him, I'd buy a nice house on the beach, raise the kids, and get fat. That's me though.
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JPM will forever be know in Nascar for hitting the track dryer at Daytona.
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JPM will forever be know in Nascar for hitting the track dryer at Daytona.
Knowing that everyone was OK from that, it was AWESOME.


But you know, it would be someone named "Juan" to hit a jet dryer, giving fuel to every unknowing redneck for ridicule.
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Where to now for JPM, Grand Am or a smaller NASCAR operation?
I dont think JPM himself is loving the NASCAR experience all that much.
Just from his interviews, other driver interactions,it just leans a little toward
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I dont see him going to a smaller nascar team. Hope he goes back to Indy car.
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What about the other morons?

And, if JPM isn't in NASCAR, how am I going to get that level of disappointment every week for now on?

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I think this was always gonna happen one day. And in truth it needs to happen, after the fire and determination of the early years (only four years ago, Montoya was a credible championship challenger don't forget) things have hit a rut.

A few years ago the likes of JGR were sniffing around Juan and I said at the time he should have made the move. His loyalty and friendship with Ganassi is admirable, but he had to make the jump. But I appreciate it was a hard decision. Ganassi gave him the chance in 2006 when he didn't have to, when JPM begged for the opportunity. Imagine just turning around and saying "I'm off" a few short years later. Incredibly difficult to do to a friend and, truth be told, they probably thought things were going to be successful at EGR. Certainly, the team was improving in great strides.

But after 2009, the competition figured out what EGR were doing with their cars I guess and they really got left behind. There was bad luck in 2010, but 2011 and 2012 were utterly depressing seasons and, when you aren't getting results, those offers from Gibbs won't come in like they did the last time.

That said, I am surprised at the manner of the parting. 2013 has been a decent year for Montoya a fair bit of the time. Whilst he trails McMurray in the standings, he has been a lot more competitive than him and has had a fair bit more misfortune with the car/team reliability. Ultimately, I think Ganassi wanted one driver out so they could give their young hotshot a seat and JPM was at the end of his contract. The fact he was lower in the standings was even more convenient, although this doesn't look at the bigger picture. The comments from the team ("we have given him the top equipment" being the pick of the quotes) are, quite frankly, a joke.

I am quite excited. I have felt Montoya was perhaps a bit too comfortable at Ganassi and would love to see him try somewhere else. He has years left in NASCAR and can work his way up again. I really hope he gets another crack at it. Failing that, I would love it if he went to Le Mans (especially as I am going next year for the first time). But the indicators are that Indycar is looking likely, a move that depresses me greatly. He won everything there, there is no point moving back to a series that is so diluted and weak compared to JPM's CART days.

Another thing that strikes me is that, in all the talk of Indycar, Ganassi's team doesn't seem to come into the equation...
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Are the cars poor, or does the pilot not know how to extract the most from them & the engineering group to make them better?
Historically the cars are generally poor, yes.

Although feel free to list the numerous success stories from EGR/CGR over the years in NASCAR. Obviously, none of these will involve Montoya as he is rubbish.

Really, I can only think of a brief bit of success for Sterling Marlin before he hurt himself.

A Chase berth in 2009 was the other, the only time an EGR driver has made it incidentally. Can't remember who that was.

2010 was decent, the cars were alright and a handful of wins, but they were starting to fall backwards and off the cliff.

Historically this is not a good team and I suspect you know that. Too many staff changes and not really enough commitment, financially and otherwise, from Chip Ganassi. Montoya was indifferent in 11/12 in large parts, and has made mistakes (Indy 2009 mainly *shudder*), but I don't think you can criticise too much in general unless you have a peculiar axe to grind. It is a competitive series, with well funded multi-car teams and engineers with bags more NASCAR nous, as well as some incredible NASCAR driving specialists. I mean, what does anyone expect to happen with McMurray and Montoya against these teams at the moment? Generally speaking, those two have run pretty similar races which tells you everything.

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If JPM wants to stay in NASCAR i can't help but feel his best option would be to try and get a ride with a HMS, Gibbs or Penske Nationwide fulltime seat with a few cup rides at his stronger tracks (Indy, Sonoma & Watkins Glen) to try and re-boot his image and show how competitive he can be given the equipment.

I follow NASCAR to watch Montoya & Ambrose and can't help but feel this would be the best career direction for both drivers.
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I think this was always gonna happen one day. And in truth it needs to happen, after the fire and determination of the early years (only four years ago, Montoya was a credible championship challenger don't forget) things have hit a rut.
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