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Old 25 Nov 2014, 10:21 (Ref:3478533)   #26
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There is an article in Autosport suggesting why the change was made. Primarilly it says that Mattiacci did not get on well with Bernie where as Arrivabene has a good relationship with Bernie and is also a long standing member of the F1 commision.

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Old 25 Nov 2014, 10:38 (Ref:3478536)   #27
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However, it may just be that Arrivabene/Vettel/Key deliver the goods. Sometimes you've got to go through a few combinations to hit on the sweet spot.
That should have been /Allison rather than Key by the way - wrong James - whoops
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Old 25 Nov 2014, 10:43 (Ref:3478537)   #28
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There is an article in Autosport suggesting why the change was made. Primarilly it says that Mattiacci did not get on well with Bernie where as Arrivabene has a good relationship with Bernie and is also a long standing member of the F1 commision.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116930
So Ferrari assume Bernie's going to be around for a while yet?
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Old 25 Nov 2014, 10:56 (Ref:3478539)   #29
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There is an article in Autosport suggesting why the change was made. Primarilly it says that Mattiacci did not get on well with Bernie where as Arrivabene has a good relationship with Bernie and is also a long standing member of the F1 commision.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116930
If that is the rationale, it's yet another disastrous appointment that'll end in tears.
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Old 25 Nov 2014, 11:03 (Ref:3478540)   #30
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that depends how he knows him.

if he's up bernie's backside (scuse the expression and resulting mental images) then that's bad.

if he knows how bernie works, and knows how to play him... that might not be so bad. it depends on his view of the sport and whether it's entirely ferrari centric or if it's more realistic.
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Old 25 Nov 2014, 11:27 (Ref:3478543)   #31
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The man should be capable of whipping the team into shape, that's the priority. How he gets on with Bernie is secondary. The man is in his 80's, he's not the powerhouse he once was, partly because of his age, principally because of the bribery debacle.

You don't pick fights with Eccelstone but if the team is in chaos or in "transition" as the jargon goes, you better have a guy at the helm that can roll up his sleeves and sort that stuff out ASAP. Arrivabene doesn't seem to be that guy.
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Old 25 Nov 2014, 11:34 (Ref:3478548)   #32
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there's more than one way of whipping a team into shape too (yeah ok i'm just being awkward this morning sorry).

the italian way of running around yelling at everyone, or the non-italian way of rebuilding it from the ground up. suspect they need a good old staff clear out, but do italian employment laws make that easy and inexpensive?
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Old 25 Nov 2014, 14:20 (Ref:3478591)   #33
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One thing over looked in the F1 media, is that Marchionne plans to step down at the end of 2018, so things need to happen fast.
http://europe.autonews.com/article/2...09798/0/SEARCH

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There is an article in Autosport suggesting why the change was made. Primarilly it says that Mattiacci did not get on well with Bernie where as Arrivabene has a good relationship with Bernie and is also a long standing member of the F1 commision.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116930
Yes, I read that and followed the logic. Eddie Jordan said on Sunday that he has known Arrivabene since he was racing himself and was sure he would do a good job. I am sure you all remember Eddie in F3 with Marlboro sponsorship?

The thought that I had was who replaces Arrivabene at Philip Morris and does that endanger the backing they get. I can imagine that if he did a good job at Philip Morris they will not be too pleased to have him lured away after such a long time. He may have been the one who sold the idea of subliminal advertising that is, IMO, just a bit too subtle and relies on the customer's memory. If there are those in Philip Morris that did not agree this is an opportunity to save costs or redirect the money.

Certainly I am sorry for Mattiacci who has ended a long and apparently successful career in the maelstrom that is F1. I got the impression when appointed that he did not really want to be there in the first place, seems Kimi thought he did a good job though, but then Kimi is still there

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Old 25 Nov 2014, 19:50 (Ref:3478672)   #35
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Vettel is probably thinking he can do a 'Schumacher'. Go to Ferrari, turn it around, win championships, become a legend.....

Maybe he has forgotten that Shuey brought a Ross with him! "Hi, Adrien. I've got this great idea....."
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Yes, I read that and followed the logic. Eddie Jordan said on Sunday that he has known Arrivabene since he was racing himself and was sure he would do a good job. I am sure you all remember Eddie in F3 with Marlboro sponsorship?

The thought that I had was who replaces Arrivabene at Philip Morris and does that endanger the backing they get. I can imagine that if he did a good job at Philip Morris they will not be too pleased to have him lured away after such a long time. He may have been the one who sold the idea of subliminal advertising that is, IMO, just a bit too subtle and relies on the customer's memory. If there are those in Philip Morris that did not agree this is an opportunity to save costs or redirect the money.

Certainly I am sorry for Mattiacci who has ended a long and apparently successful career in the maelstrom that is F1. I got the impression when appointed that he did not really want to be there in the first place, seems Kimi thought he did a good job though, but then Kimi is still there

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It wouldn't be too much of a leap to say that the Arrivabene appointment is designed to copperfasten the Philip Morris connection. They aren't going to spite that relationship. Otherwise there's no clear outstanding reason why this guy has been appointed.

This is Ferrari and Philip Morris becoming more integrated in response to economic trouble. That's my reading.
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This is Ferrari and Philip Morris becoming more integrated in response to economic trouble. That's my reading.
thats my take as well.

thinking out of the box, doesn't a one or two year stint as Ferrari TP in addition to his marketing background and long term knowledge of the sport's politics and players put his name into the ring of people who could legitimately replace BE?

Ferrari have a lot to lose if the next person in charge wants to treat the teams as financial equals.

Italian team plus godfather theme music links has the cynic in me looking for Machiavellian power plays.
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[QUOTE=chillibowl;3478693]thats my take as well.

thinking out of the box, doesn't a one or two year stint as Ferrari TP in addition to his marketing background and long term knowledge of the sport's politics and players put his name into the ring of people who could legitimately replace BE?

Well he certainly would have the right CV , good thought
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there's more than one way of whipping a team into shape too (yeah ok i'm just being awkward this morning sorry).

the italian way of running around yelling at everyone, or the non-italian way of rebuilding it from the ground up. suspect they need a good old staff clear out, but do italian employment laws make that easy and inexpensive?
Highly doubtful that spring cleaning would be an easy task in Italy...
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that depends how he knows him.

if he's up bernie's backside (scuse the expression and resulting mental images) then that's bad.

if he knows how bernie works, and knows how to play him... that might not be so bad. it depends on his view of the sport and whether it's entirely ferrari centric or if it's more realistic.
I would love to know where Matiacci and Bernie didn't get on!

(Adam Parr situation replayed?)

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Mattiacci and Alonso – the real story
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But still nothing on why Ferrari dumped Mattiacci
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But still nothing on why Ferrari dumped Mattiacci
Isn't it the usual routine?The Gazetta della Sport write a few critical articles and a well known name gets fired to take the heat off the Scuderia-at least for a while.
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What Vettel was thinking when he signed for Ferrari, I just don't know!
'What pretty red overalls"?

2015 should be a vintage year for Italians running around foaming at the mouth.
I've got ten bob that says they'll have two more team bosses before next Christmas.

But no more race wins.
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'What pretty red overalls"?

2015 should be a vintage year for Italians running around foaming at the mouth.
I've got ten bob that says they'll have two more team bosses before next Christmas.

But no more race wins.


I reckon their "pretty red overalls" are only that colour so the blood doesn't show and create a bad impression when they are sticking knives into one another's backs!

Still reckon they should give Stefano Domenicali a call, he would probably be very effective without Monty's interference!
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