Brabham BT35 - Page 10

Bob Slusher · 17 Aug 2006, 13:22 (Ref:1685025)

I stumbled upon these in-car camera video clips for our BT35.

Go to http://www.qv500.com/racecam/videogallery.php and scroll down to the F2 at Pau. Note the yellow car and what happens to the nosecone of the following blue/yellow car. Enjoy.

bob

pantah · 25 Aug 2006, 13:12 (Ref:1691448)

I am just about to (possibly) purchase a BT35 which was supposedly supplied originally to team Jolly-Club in Milan,with a Wainer
tuned 1600 Alfa unit in unwinged F3 form. Chassis number is 47. Can anyone shed any light on this car in more recent times?

Thanks

Andrew Fellowes · 25 Aug 2006, 20:48 (Ref:1691748)

Nearly one of the last made being only 5 more after that but I have nothing else.

Bryan Miller · 26 Aug 2006, 09:06 (Ref:1691945)

pantah.

Welcome aboard , BT35-47 is one that we have no period info on as yet , I believe it is in the U.K. and has been at least since the mid 1990's .

This is the car that should have the 1972 AM number AM72-7 , can you confirm please if you purchase.

Bryan.

Andrew Fellowes · 27 Aug 2006, 07:08 (Ref:1693304)

Interesting, Bob's car ex Sepp, is 72-4.

pantah · 30 Aug 2006, 13:38 (Ref:1697601)

I bought the car. It is going down to Phil at Connaught engines for the BDA installing. All being well it should be at the Curborough sprint on 7th. September as a bit of a gentle 'test' session.
The car is presently plain deep burgundy red, but we are looking for ideas for an intersting scheme that would have been appropriate in the early 70's. If anyone has any ideas, or colour photos' I'd be glad to see them (or web-links).
Apparently the car was delivered new to team Jolly-Club, and driven by an Italian known as 'Gero' (real name Cristiano del Balzo).

pantah · 30 Aug 2006, 15:00 (Ref:1697665)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted Walker

NO Bt35s were built in 1972 Certainly the last batch appear to have gone to Italy mainly for Jolly Club. I have Nos 45-49 going there.Not sure about 47-9 but am sure about 45-6

Obviously, I can now confirm that no.47 did indeed go to Jolly Club.

allenbrown · 30 Aug 2006, 15:05 (Ref:1697670)

Can you confirm the Arch Motors number?

pantah · 30 Aug 2006, 15:15 (Ref:1697677)

AM 72-7 - as predicted !

I will happily provide scans of all documentation in a PM, once they are in my posession.

The car was originally supplied 'wingless', and we intend to purchase a set of bodywork to reflect this. I would appreciate contact details for Simon Hadfield if anyone has them.

Thanks

Andrew Fellowes · 30 Aug 2006, 20:51 (Ref:1698014)

Simon Hadfield details sent by PM.

Andrew

pantah · 4 Sep 2006, 09:21 (Ref:1701367)

Being new to the marque, can someone please clear up an issue for me please?

My understanding was that BT35's were either F3, FA/B or the specialised Hillclimb cars. Why do I see BT35's advertised as F2 cars?

Forgive me if I am missing something obvious here, but I am slightly confused !

Andrew Fellowes · 4 Sep 2006, 21:09 (Ref:1701853)

Quote:

Originally Posted by pantah

Why do I see BT35's advertised as F2 cars?

Oh my favorite hobby horse! Because they get more money for the chassis and it's a load of ********.

Bryan's chassis number 8, ran F2 (1st place Mallory '72) and here in Australia "as it was, so it shall be" means he can still run to that speck, but my understanding is that none were built as F2. The HSCC in their wisdom in the UK allow BT35's to run with injected BDA's in the F2 class.
Ted is the best one to answer why, but I guess he is recovering from a very busy weekend at the moment!

Bob Slusher · 5 Sep 2006, 00:16 (Ref:1701948)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted Walker

BT35-44 Was the Mickel hill climb car fitted with FVC and FT200 G box.It was owned for a long time by the late Fred Edwards.

BT35/44 is now in the hands of Mr. Don Roose of Bainbridge Island, Washington. The beautifully restored winged car in blue and silver colours appeared at Portland Int. Raceway for the Society of Vintage Racing Enthusiasts meet this past weekend. I have many photos of the car to anyone interested.

bob slusher
Portland, OR

pantah · 5 Sep 2006, 09:23 (Ref:1702124)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Fellowes

Oh my favorite hobby horse! Because they get more money for the chassis and it's a load of ********.

Bryan's chassis number 8, ran F2 (1st place Mallory '72) and here in Australia "as it was, so it shall be" means he can still run to that speck, but my understanding is that none were built as F2. The HSCC in their wisdom in the UK allow BT35's to run with injected BDA's in the F2 class.
Ted is the best one to answer why, but I guess he is recovering from a very busy weekend at the moment!

Many thanks for clearing that up.

Bryan Miller · 5 Sep 2006, 09:40 (Ref:1702139)

Pantah,

Welcome .

Really the problem is Ron Tauranac's fault as he didn't build enough BT36's , 12 off , and these cars are regarded [ along with BT35s ] as some of the best period spaceframes, so along comes historic racing and basically there are not a lot of cars to satisfy demand, and as the FIA allows cars to be presented in a specification of the period , you go grab yourself an F3 BT35 and rebuild it to BT35/6 F2 spec. except you are also allowed to substitute a BDD for an FVA which was the period engine , and also if you can find it, run a Lucas mechanical fuel injection system, while your at it you may as well build up a short stroke BDD .

Meanwhile over here with much more severe rules [ thankfully] my car can run one of 3 options only that MY CHASSIS ran in period, i.e 1971 , one of a few built with a BDD for Atlantic, 1972 1860cc IRON BLOCK BDE , which is what is has , albeit at 1790cc, 1976/7 fit a 1600cc Ford Twin-cam as per Australian spec.that it ran then, I am not allowed any other option.

Bryan. BT35-8.

pantah · 5 Sep 2006, 11:32 (Ref:1702245)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Miller

Pantah,

Welcome .

Really the problem is Ron Tauranac's fault as he didn't build enough BT36's , 12 off , and these cars are regarded [ along with BT35s ] as some of the best period spaceframes, so along comes historic racing and basically there are not a lot of cars to satisfy demand, and as the FIA allows cars to be presented in a specification of the period , you go grab yourself an F3 BT35 and rebuild it to BT35/6 F2 spec. except you are also allowed to substitute a BDD for an FVA which was the period engine , and also if you can find it, run a Lucas mechanical fuel injection system, while your at it you may as well build up a short stroke BDD .

Meanwhile over here with much more severe rules [ thankfully] my car can run one of 3 options only that MY CHASSIS ran in period, i.e 1971 , one of a few built with a BDD for Atlantic, 1972 1860cc IRON BLOCK BDE , which is what is has , albeit at 1790cc, 1976/7 fit a 1600cc Ford Twin-cam as per Australian spec.that it ran then, I am not allowed any other option.

Bryan. BT35-8.

Thakyou for the information. What engine would a BT35 destined for British or European F3 typically have run in period?
Mine was supplied to Italy and fitted with an Alpha, long since changed. Prior to me buying the car, it had a 2-litre Pinto fitted ! I am havinh a short-stroke BDA on carbs fitted, producing 222Bhp, (according to the Dyno)

Andrew BT35-47

Chris Townsend · 5 Sep 2006, 14:38 (Ref:1702389)

BT35 in 1971-2 would usually have run a Lotus Ford t/c in F3, BDA in Atlantic.
Jorg Obermoser had a BMW engined version in F3 in 1971

Chris

allenbrown · 10 Sep 2006, 20:34 (Ref:1707327)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Miller

BT35-9 , Nick Craw .

According to the March 1984 HSCC Newsletter, David McLaughlin has a 1971 Brabham BT35 for the Pre-71 series. Originally driven by Nick Craw, it had had a "leisurely subsequent career in sprints and hillclimbs".

Steve Wilkinson · 11 Sep 2006, 10:27 (Ref:1707769)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

According to the March 1984 HSCC Newsletter, David McLaughlin has a 1971 Brabham BT35 for the Pre-71 series. Originally driven by Nick Craw, it had had a "leisurely subsequent career in sprints and hillclimbs".

Good news for speed events; now all we need to know is who drove it and when!

PS the Warning Level 4 was incurred due to a post of mine about Michael Schumacher!

Chris Townsend · 11 Sep 2006, 13:46 (Ref:1707987)

Craw's car in 71 was BT35-9, the car owned in 1998 by Peter Watts.

Chris

allenbrown · 27 Sep 2006, 08:01 (Ref:1720969)

I should note that we now have another claimant for BT35-9 in the US - backed up by a chassis plate, original bodywork in the right colour and a SCCA log book back to 1972 which has "BT35-9" written on the front cover.

So - is it possible Craw had two cars? Or could Craw have driven a different car on one occasion in the UK that got "ex-Craw" attached to it?

Chris Townsend · 27 Sep 2006, 08:09 (Ref:1720973)

Chassis 9 noted by A/S when Craw used the car in the non championship ARCO Trophy at Castle Combe, prior to taking it to the states. I think he owned the car but Opert ran it, so unlikely but not impossible he'd use another team vehicle. If there's a car with the plate, bodywork and a log that's pretty water-tight.
Do we know any provenance on the other [British] car?

Chris

allenbrown · 27 Sep 2006, 08:14 (Ref:1720976)

What I hadn't appreciated is that Craw only did the one race before heading off for the 23 May race at Seattle. So it's hard to see how an ex-Craw car stayed in the UK.

Maybe David McLaughlin's car wasn't actually ex-Craw after all, just reputed to be when he bought it. One or two early BT35s went onto the hills didn't they?

Steve Wilkinson · 27 Sep 2006, 08:56 (Ref:1721025)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

One or two early BT35s went onto the hills didn't they?

Oh yes they did! Trouble is there are no records of their chassis numbers about!

pantah · 28 Sep 2006, 11:52 (Ref:1721970)

I appreciate this my not be the appropriate forum, but can anyone point me in the direction of a complete exhaust (in the UK) for a BDA. 3-bolt type, in order that I may complete BT35-47 to its rightful condition.

Andrew

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