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Old 2 Sep 2012, 08:33 (Ref:3128809)   #2501
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Yet it seems one ageing Crew Chief in the US can keep R8s running quite happily?
He's rather more than a crew chief Tim!
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Old 2 Sep 2012, 08:39 (Ref:3128811)   #2502
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IsnĀ“t this exactly what the ACO wants? P1 as strictly factory run cars, and P2 as privateers in strictly purpose built customer cars?
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Old 2 Sep 2012, 09:49 (Ref:3128841)   #2503
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So, ALMS is going out, and LMP racing is potentially dead in the US.
Would the death of the US LMP's put more LMP manufactures off developing a 2014 costumer car!?
what do you mean by "ALMS is going out" ?
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Old 2 Sep 2012, 09:56 (Ref:3128843)   #2504
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what do you mean by "ALMS is going out" ?
ALMS is merging with GA.
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ALMS is merging with GA.
aren't they the same thing? and do you think its a good/bad thing.
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aren't they the same thing? and do you think its a good/bad thing.
See the GA/ALMS merging thread
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Old 2 Sep 2012, 11:25 (Ref:3128893)   #2507
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am I really behind on the news, or is ALMS prototypes already on the brink of death, with about 6 cars in LMP1&2 combined? that wouldn't really add much to the grids, at least not enough to bother with BOP'ing the regulations...
You're pretty much spot on. P1 in the ALMS consists of 1 HPD car, and the two Dysons - one of which is a lola with no spares being held together by cardboard and duct tape (seriously, go watch the baltimore race), and the other being a grandfathered 2007-chassis with 2011 aero bits. P2 consists of 2 HPD cars run by a team who's owner is probably going to jail in a year, and the Oak car.

Really not bringing much to the table.
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Old 3 Sep 2012, 01:16 (Ref:3129527)   #2508
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The 2014 rules (provisional) that ACIO published included separate specifications for customer cars. Considering that the manufacturers help write the rules, I have to figure they planned to sell some, else it wouldnā€™t be there.

Oak has already said the will build a P1 hopefully with an HPD power plant. I believe Wirth mentioned he wanted to do customer cars as well. My understanding is that ACO wants WEC in general to cater to and be supported by factory teams, but also wants some privateers, both the get more cash and to buffer the pain when one or more big manufacturers pull out.

Where that plan is now I donā€™t know. They wonā€™t be selling any cars in North America, thatā€™s sure.
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Old 3 Sep 2012, 05:27 (Ref:3129602)   #2509
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Honda announced a Zytek Partnershiphttp://www.zytekautomotive.co.uk/Lin...bid=39&mid=474 recently. The system beiing used first in the SuperGT car but if Zytek is a former LMP company then maybe Honda is planning a hybrid prototype and found a partner to help make the system for 2014?
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Old 3 Sep 2012, 05:32 (Ref:3129606)   #2510
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Honda announced a Zytek Partnershiphttp://www.zytekautomotive.co.uk/Lin...bid=39&mid=474 recently. The system beiing used first in the SuperGT car but if Zytek is a former LMP company then maybe Honda is planning a hybrid prototype and found a partner to help make the system for 2014?
So wait, are they planning to move up as a factory team?
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Old 3 Sep 2012, 05:37 (Ref:3129612)   #2511
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Its not really clear. Im just guessing here as to what could come of the partnership but Honda seems to be interested in Sportscar racing. They have been very Bipolar first being all for it with the ALMs program and Acura's P2/P1 then stepping back but really sticking around and allowing Wirth Research to build this current HPD P1 car.

I think they have interest. In addition they would get to compete with Toyota on the grand scale. So it's possible *speculation* for 2014.

I think the Japanese are interested in top level racing because Toyota and Honda used to race in Formula one. Proto's can be a cheaper alternative.
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Old 3 Sep 2012, 17:53 (Ref:3130050)   #2512
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The Honda to P1 rumor has been around a little while now. No idea how true it is but it is not implausible. Nick Wirth has had a 2014-spec coupe design going for a while, I've heard.

Not sure Zytek is planning to build a 2014-spec P1. Oak plans to and hopes to use Honda power, so .... ????
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The Honda to P1 rumor has been around a little while now. No idea how true it is but it is not implausible. Nick Wirth has had a 2014-spec coupe design going for a while, I've heard.
afaik they have a coupe design based on the current regulations.

(are the '14 regs final now? they were discussing cockpit dimesions a few weeks/months back)
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Afaik the regs are not final, no. But I seem to recall Wirth mentioning that he wanted to do a or was doing a 2014 car in an interview. I might be confusing it with the coupe he has had drawn but couldn't get built the last couple years.
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Afaik the regs are not final, no. But I seem to recall Wirth mentioning that he wanted to do a or was doing a 2014 car in an interview.
yes he wants to build a coupe for '14 but needs resources I think.
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Well one thing is for certain. If Honda and Zytek do evelop a hybrid system for LMPS then Honda would have to run in LMP1 as a factory teams because i don't think privateers can have the hybrid systems.
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because i don't think privateers can have the hybrid systems.
While I think thats a good move from an expense point of view , it also means that a privateer win is beyond most peoples reach , which also isnt good , at all . Whats the point of racing if a chance of a win isnt there ?
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Well one thing is for certain. If Honda and Zytek do evelop a hybrid system for LMPS then Honda would have to run in LMP1 as a factory teams because i don't think privateers can have the hybrid systems.
I don't think that's true is it? Hybrids for P1 manufacturers yes, but not confined to manufacturers.
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Well one thing is for certain. If Honda and Zytek do evelop a hybrid system for LMPS then Honda would have to run in LMP1 as a factory teams because i don't think privateers can have the hybrid systems.
They can - 2, 4, 6, 8 MJ -850 kg. If they dont choose hybrid they get a small weight break (20kg lighter)

http://www.lemans.org/wpphpFichiers/...ation_2014.pdf

but it must be expensive so that may not be an option for them after all.
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other way around manufacturer teams must be hybrids. reduced weight rule for petrol only privateer
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It also says that the performance for the private teams could be adjusted to keep them secure. Also, the efficiency formula isn't even finalized, so it could be stricter or leaner. We'll just have to see.
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Liking the sound of this.

Jota looking to expand to a two-car team next year in P2:
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...sion-for-2013/

They have been a quality addition to the prototype field this year and it's nice to see them rebound from what was a really sh**ty situation with the Aston customer car. Dolan has also been top notch behind the wheel.

Maybe they will try and do something similar to what Greaves did this season across the WEC/ELMS.
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2 Pretty Zytek (Jota) VS 2 Ugly Zytek (Greaves). Bring it on!
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While I think thats a good move from an expense point of view , it also means that a privateer win is beyond most peoples reach , which also isnt good , at all . Whats the point of racing if a chance of a win isnt there ?
Ask Rebellion or OAK or Pescarolo or any other privateer and they will give you the same answer, they wanna be in the top class.
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I understand wanting to be in the top class ..... but Its hard to attract sponsors if you admit to them first , you will only be an also ran .

Rebellion sponsor themselves , no worries there .

Pescarolo received many sponsors basically from loyalty , but that money has dried up as we have seen .

Oak have no money issues either .

What about the rest of'em ?
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