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Old 28 Jun 2014, 08:05 (Ref:3427387)   #16
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Everything was top notch. Great car, great drivers, lots of promo. Peugeot is still the only team to have an active F1 driver race at Le Mans in recent years.
Everything? In the first years they had some major tactical screwups though. Something Toyota has managed to avoid, probably thanks to Oreca's involvement.
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Old 28 Jun 2014, 08:09 (Ref:3427388)   #17
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For me Toyota, because it wasn't in their planning to race in 2012. But they were asked to because Peugeot quit. Le Mans was their first race and they had the speed from the first moment.
iirc the very original plan before Case: Peugeot was to race at LM 2012 but possibly with one car only and then do some WEC rounds before full season in 2013.

But in any case, LM 2012 became the debut race after they were forced so skip Spa.
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Old 28 Jun 2014, 08:19 (Ref:3427391)   #18
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That skipping of Spa was fairly ridiculous no matter how you look at Toyota being the newcomers... they only had one working chassis at that point, which they had wrecked in testing anyway. I guess it was the first true reflection of how underfunded the whole opertation was, which at the time really shocked me (biggest manufacturer in the world giving pennies for it's racing department)
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Old 28 Jun 2014, 08:49 (Ref:3427396)   #19
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That skipping of Spa was fairly ridiculous no matter how you look at Toyota being the newcomers... they only had one working chassis at that point, which they had wrecked in testing anyway. I guess it was the first true reflection of how underfunded the whole opertation was, which at the time really shocked me (biggest manufacturer in the world giving pennies for it's racing department)
There was only couple of months between their decision to ante up the program and Spa. It was much more ridiculous that still in last year they had trouble fielding the 2nd car.
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Old 28 Jun 2014, 09:45 (Ref:3427407)   #20
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iirc the very original plan before Case: Peugeot was to race at LM 2012 but possibly with one car only and then do some WEC rounds before full season in 2013.

But in any case, LM 2012 became the debut race after they were forced so skip Spa.
About peugeot, nothing has been ever confirmed but rumors were that peugeot was going to use only one official 908HY4 full season with a second one for le mans and european races. The second 908 was going to be an hybridless old 2011 chassis in the hands of a supported private team (rumored signatech) and with a new main sponsor (rumored redbull).
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Old 28 Jun 2014, 10:57 (Ref:3427413)   #21
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That skipping of Spa was fairly ridiculous no matter how you look at Toyota being the newcomers... they only had one working chassis at that point, which they had wrecked in testing anyway. I guess it was the first true reflection of how underfunded the whole opertation was, which at the time really shocked me (biggest manufacturer in the world giving pennies for it's racing department)
How many times does this subject come up? They were only going to run Le Mans and maybe one other race in addition to Fuji in 2012. 2013 was going to be their first full season with one car and two at select rounds. They stepped up because Peugeot dropped out. 2014 was what they were aiming at as a full on. Tmg probably has a low budget because Akio Toyoda and the members of current Toyota in Japan dont want frivolous spending like F1 which was under some bad direction for most of its life. Results may swerve them to give more. Vasselon stated the budget was increased from last year. If you think about it, perhaps 2013 was the real first year for Toyota.
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Old 29 Jun 2014, 23:01 (Ref:3428241)   #22
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How many times does this subject come up? They were only going to run Le Mans and maybe one other race in addition to Fuji in 2012. 2013 was going to be their first full season with one car and two at select rounds. They stepped up because Peugeot dropped out. 2014 was what they were aiming at as a full on. Tmg probably has a low budget because Akio Toyoda and the members of current Toyota in Japan dont want frivolous spending like F1 which was under some bad direction for most of its life. Results may swerve them to give more. Vasselon stated the budget was increased from last year. If you think about it, perhaps 2013 was the real first year for Toyota.
Yeah. While I hear they are spending loads of cash on NASCAR... Wrong series to invest in Toyota
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Toyota ought to develop a customer P2 car that could run in both Tudor and WEC.
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Old 30 Jun 2014, 00:05 (Ref:3428272)   #24
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Yeah. While I hear they are spending loads of cash on NASCAR... Wrong series to invest in Toyota
Thats probably Toyota N.A. with TRD vs. TMG and a little help from Japan. Id like there to be more TMC monet towards TMG, thatd be great.
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