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6 Aug 2017, 17:32 (Ref:3757739) | #576 | ||
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How long is Eurosport's contract with FIA for the promotion of WTCC? If it's up for replacement, then TCR could be bid
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TCR does and will not have real works teams and I doubt that FIA would consider WSC a financially strong organization (in 2005 it was the previous company of Marcello Lotti called KSO that was bought by Eurosport Events). So I don't think it is possible to make a World Championship from TCR. |
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Moreover the closeness of whole TCR category is based on BoP, but it cannot work with manufacturer teams. |
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Also, S2000 WTCC had BoP as well. They just called it 'dispensations' back in those days... |
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7 Aug 2017, 09:55 (Ref:3757954) | #580 | |
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S2000 I enjoyed, the racing was close and there were plenty of makes involved, just not that many as there could have been in the WTCC. TCR could work, with a few rules tweaks to let manufacturers in and no more BOP
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Stephane Ratel's short-lived GT1 World Championship had no manufacturer teams whatsoever. Unless there have been some significant changes since 2012, TCR should be good.
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I miss the high strung n/a screamers of S2000
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And outlook is subjective. I prefer S2000 to TCR for example. Yes, WTCC HAD BoP. It does not have since TC1. At least not officially. Of course we still hear some irregularities but who knows. As far as I know the problem with S2000 was not the costs. The problem was that no manufacturers were interested in entering. |
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7 Aug 2017, 16:52 (Ref:3758014) | #584 | ||
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Yes it was quite a strage thing. I think it should have been something like BMW in 2011. There were no works team but some manufacturers officially entered the manufacturers championship to keep the series alive. But I do not have exact information.
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7 Aug 2017, 19:54 (Ref:3758053) | #586 | |
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As far as I'm concerned, TCR should become, let's say, main 'sprint' touring car category in the world, as WTCC should merge with DTM to create 96 ITC and Supercars inspired championship with more powerful cars, longer races with pit stops, etc. For now, I don't see any future for WTCC as it is.
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8 Aug 2017, 09:29 (Ref:3758143) | #587 | ||
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Actually there are no full factory teams in GT3! However you are right that there is a GT category with BoP: GTE in WEC.
But BoP is for customer racing. Think like a manufacturer. You finance you team to develop a good car, which is than pegged back to be on the same level with the others. Why would you spend a heap of money on development is in the and it will only bring you more weight, reduced turbo pressure etc. BoP can limit development, that's why it is good for customer racing, but if you have a full factory team you don't want to be pulled back when you have found something. |
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But okay GT3 has not full factory teams but teams like WRT, HTP, Kus get factory backing and aren't less professional than JAS and Polestar. But why not the same formula like in GT3. Teams are supplied with factory drivers, money and marketing support by manufacturers? It works in GT3, why not in TCR? |
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Got to admit 'Audi Sport Team WRT' and 'Mercedes AMG Team HTP' are about 90% factory teams when it really comes down to it I'd like to see the same style of factory support for TCR international. As in, supply support team staff, and factory drivers... But keep solely privateer in national series This and a improved schedule would allow TCR international to trump WTCC and DTM for top spot in the single class tourer world Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Hi guys!
Some notes for this discussion: 1 - Imho the FIA has the power to modify their own rules about the rwquired criterias of a world championship. 2 - Imho the criteria is not 2 manufacturer but 2 constructor, so non factory backed constructions also could counts My prediction about WTCC: They could continue 1 or 2 season with TC1 rules, but if the DTM introduce the SuperGT rules, I guess Honda will switch, and maybe Volvo follow them. In that situation WTCC will end or merge with the TCR Internacional like ChampCar did with IRL or ALMS with GrandAm. WTCC gives the Eurosport, TCR gives the cars/field. |
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11 Aug 2017, 15:44 (Ref:3758838) | #594 | ||
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I don't think that TCR is intrested in becoming a FIA Championship. It would be very costly and have no return.
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11 Aug 2017, 18:17 (Ref:3758871) | #595 | ||
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https://www.touringcartimes.com/2017...t-china-japan/
Filipe de Souza joins RC Motorsport for China and Japan |
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RC Motorsport is a welcome addition to WTCC.
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12 Aug 2017, 09:54 (Ref:3758965) | #597 | ||
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Considering the latest manufacturer shifts between series (to Formula E), it seems traditional motorsport is no longer puts so much interest for them.
Maybe FIA should think about world championships based only only on customer racing. I think TCR could work in WTCC but only if there will be no manufacturer teams. Otherwise, as it was said here, the cost would really significantly rise. Shift to Class 1 could be also great, but puts championship into jeopardy, because that could be only a full-manufacturer based series which may then leave and go to Formula E. Also, I feel there could be a change of promoter after 2017. |
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As unpopular as it would be to traditionalists, what if WTCC became eTCC as in Electric Touring Car Championship? Surely this would be attractive to manufacturers and would provide a reason to fund a programme as it would essentially develop the electric road car branch of entered manufacturers
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12 Aug 2017, 14:09 (Ref:3758984) | #599 | |
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They're already planning an e-tin top series to support Formula E
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12 Aug 2017, 17:14 (Ref:3759005) | #600 | ||
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Electric rallycross and electric karting are great ideas.
Back to touring car racing, my view is that the World Championship era is sadly gone. The WTCC will implode soon. TCR International is successful and international, but to me it's not a proper world championship. I mean, big audiences want extremely fast cars, not 300hp Civics and Corollas. We are a minority. |
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