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26 Sep 2003, 01:07 (Ref:730308)
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Massa & Ferrari
I continue to read (only on forums and less reputable web sites) that Massa is being prepared as Michaels replacement at Ferrari.
Where on Earth does this come from? Massa arrived on the scene with all the promise and fanfair that Pizzonia did. While his pace was pretty good, he had many many shortcomings. So many in fact, he could'nt get a drive in 2003. Somehow he's going from those results to the most likely cantidate to replace a 5 (maybe 6) times WDC? Is this a joke? When Michael goes, Ferrari will have alot of left over cash to play with. Why would they gamble on Massa with drivers like Kimi & Montoya out there? And if they cant get them, why would'nt they grab Alonso or Webber instead? Maybe I missed some sort of wonderful result from the guy (and testing does'nt count) but this (if true) would be the dumbest thing Ferrari have done since Austria 2002. |
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26 Sep 2003, 01:31 (Ref:730326)
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My sentiments exactly.
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26 Sep 2003, 01:34 (Ref:730330)
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Well, if Ferrari want to race an average young-gun, it's fine by me
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26 Sep 2003, 01:59 (Ref:730348)
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I agree that Massa is still a big silly risk to be a Ferrari driver.
He had shown little in his first year. Although his pace and work rate are favourable in the Ferrari test camp, i really don't think he is prepared for the top spot. Ferrari does bring him to various races to watch Rubens/Michael in action for Massa to learn. The best route will be to send Massa to Sauber and evaluate him for one year. On the other hand...When Michael does indeed retire (2004 perhaps?), hopefully Alonso will be pulled in.. And how about Montoya too? Alonso/Montoya...hmm..looks pretty good. |
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26 Sep 2003, 05:58 (Ref:730435)
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Why not take the gamble on Massa? After all, if he's not up to scratch, they can always replace him, however, if he is, they have a future star all contracted up.
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26 Sep 2003, 06:55 (Ref:730474)
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My impression (Fueled mainly by Martin Brundle)was that Massa showed the same promise as Kimi in the lower formulae but unlike Kimi needed a little time to mature before he was ready fo F1. So I tend to agree with MR V he's had a years testing so stick him in a Sauber for a season and see what progress he's made. People tend to forget that he wasn't very old when he entered F1 and not everybody can be like Kimi
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26 Sep 2003, 09:38 (Ref:730576)
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I have no particular bias one way or another, but Massa does have some style. His cornering is very distinctive. I know Pizzonia has underperformed and been poorly treated but Massa has enormous potential. Like Sato.
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26 Sep 2003, 10:01 (Ref:730590)
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Massa is a risk .. and that way they are putting him alongside one great driver . Fisichella ...
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26 Sep 2003, 10:02 (Ref:730591)
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I have no doubt whatsoever that Massa is a one-off. His car control, in my opinion, is the best in F1. He is a freak. He can enter any corner in anyway and be quick. He is a Peterson or Rindt or a Villeneuve,G. But that is only half of it. He needs to develop the part that makes one become a World Champion. The mental side of things. That is what separates M.Schumacher from the rest. Ferrari are reckoning they can instill that side into Massa in order to unleash another freak upon F1. What other driver to learn from than Mr Schumacher Sr. himself?
Just my opinion... I hope they pull it off because he is a very enjoyable driver to watch. |
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26 Sep 2003, 10:07 (Ref:730594)
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agree david .. he was a freak even in touring cars ... and for sure . i want him at Ferrari ....
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26 Sep 2003, 10:13 (Ref:730599)
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It is a risk though, and putting him alongside Fisi would be very smart. Fisi WILL deliver. Please listen to us Ferrari people!
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26 Sep 2003, 11:15 (Ref:730629)
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Massa does have some style and potential, but at this stage, he hasn't quite blossomed. Another year at Sauber could be the answer, but it's depressing me the way Sauber are being ruled by Ferrari.
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26 Sep 2003, 11:18 (Ref:730630)
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lol .. Sauber want them to do that
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26 Sep 2003, 11:29 (Ref:730641)
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26 Sep 2003, 11:30 (Ref:730643)
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Re: Massa & Ferrari
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Wrex, from what I have known here, Felipe Massa is a protegeé of Jean Todt. To be true, it seems that he's managing his career. Certainly that's the feed for all these rumours. But up to now, Massa denies anything about that, even to replace Rubens in 2005, which is the most likely. |
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26 Sep 2003, 11:43 (Ref:730658)
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Yeah, but didn't he get fired by Sauber?
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26 Sep 2003, 11:45 (Ref:730663)
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26 Sep 2003, 11:55 (Ref:730678)
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Exactly. And then Ferrari got him.
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26 Sep 2003, 12:21 (Ref:730712)
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Oh OK. What is it about him that makes Ferrari want to hire him?
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26 Sep 2003, 12:25 (Ref:730718)
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26 Sep 2003, 12:33 (Ref:730725)
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Yeah that's what I was thinking. They must see something in him that makes them want to train him to be the next Schumacher.
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26 Sep 2003, 12:52 (Ref:730747)
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26 Sep 2003, 14:14 (Ref:730821)
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26 Sep 2003, 14:24 (Ref:730830)
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When Massa came on the F1 roster with Sauber my F1 informer said a few things about Massa that stayed true IME "Massa is so quick the back of the car leaves the corner before the front " this is of course is when Mark was at Minadri
he went on "Mark will do alright unless Massa takes him out " I feel Ferrari have a big lull coming on and it could have alot to do with its future drivers Fissi included |
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26 Sep 2003, 14:29 (Ref:730835)
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I agree, Massa is risky, but if you remember, at about Germany, he was tying with Heidfeld on points, and had to concede a position to his teammate at that race, and subsequently, Heidfeld was in front of Massa afterwards.
Why not bring in Alonso, Webber, or other people. Kimi seems too settled at McLaren, and Montoya will be sorted out by then. |
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