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View Poll Results: Which driver combination will win the Pirtek Enduro Cup?
#2 Pye/Luff WP HOLDEN 0 0%
#3 Russell/Douglas LDM HOLDEN 0 0%
#5 Winterbottom/Canto PRA FORD 0 0%
#6 Waters/Stanaway PRA FORD 0 0%
#7 T.Kelly/Le Brocq NisMo NISSAN 0 0%
#8 Percat/Jones BJR HOLDEN 0 0%
#9 Reynolds/Youlden Erebus HOLDEN 0 0%
#12 Coulthard/D'Alberto DJRTP FORD 2 6.90%
#14 Slade/Walsh BJR HOLDEN 1 3.45%
#15 R.Kelly/Wall NisMo NISSAN 0 0%
#17 McLaughlin/Premat DJRTP FORD 7 24.14%
#18 Holdsworth/Reindler CSR HOLDEN 0 0%
#19 W.Davison/Webb Tekno HOLDEN 0 0%
#21 Blanchard/Hazelwood TBR HOLDEN 0 0%
#22 Courtney/Perkins WP HOLDEN 0 0%
#23 Caruso/Fiore NisMo NISSAN 0 0%
#33 Tander/Golding GRM HOLDEN 0 0%
#34 Moffat/Muscat GRM HOLDEN 0 0%
#55 Mostert/Owen PRA FORD 1 3.45%
#56 Bright/Jacobson PRA FORD 1 3.45%
#62 Rullo/A.Davison LDM HOLDEN 1 3.45%
#78 de Silvestro/D.Russell NisMo NISSAN 0 0%
#88 Whincup/Dumbrell 888 HOLDEN 7 24.14%
#97 van Gisbergen/Campbell 888 HOLDEN 6 20.69%
#99 Wood/Pither Erebus HOLDEN 0 0%
#888 Lowndes/Richards 888 HOLDEN 3 10.34%
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Old 3 Aug 2017, 08:00 (Ref:3757147)   #176
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[QUOTE=one five five;3757141]Surely if your car understeers, you are ultimately at fault for the car doing so (excluding mechanical failure, or a hit up the backside)


Its not your fault if the car isn't set right, if you don't have a car that's good on turn in how can you stop it. That's the most ridiculous comment I have seen for a while though regarding set ups, you cant be blamed for a bad set on the car.
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Old 3 Aug 2017, 08:12 (Ref:3757150)   #177
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Surely if your car understeers, you are ultimately at fault for the car doing so (excluding mechanical failure, or a hit up the backside)


Its not your fault if the car isn't set right, if you don't have a car that's good on turn in how can you stop it. That's the most ridiculous comment I have seen for a while though regarding set ups, you cant be blamed for a bad set on the car.
Sorry little buddy, understeer is a result of pushing harder into a corner than your car is capable of, simple answer, back off slightly until the understeer tapers off, and you avoid hitting the car on your outside.

I'm afraid your comment has to classify as the most ridiculous comment rather than the one 155 is making.

I guess once you get your licence and actually drive a car at speed you may figure this out for yourself.
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Old 3 Aug 2017, 08:15 (Ref:3757151)   #178
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oh cmon! So he can hurtle into anyone and blame setup?!??
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Old 3 Aug 2017, 08:22 (Ref:3757153)   #179
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oh cmon! So he can hurtle into anyone and blame setup?!??
Exactly, unfortunately, we have some posters who seem to have never driven a car let alone at speed on a circuit.
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Old 3 Aug 2017, 08:32 (Ref:3757157)   #180
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oh cmon! So he can hurtle into anyone and blame setup?!??
Whats the deal here, I see a lot of hate to Caruso, yet SVG, Courtney, Percat, Coulthard, Moffat all take people out and its a matter of 'no its not there fault, they made an error so lets forgive them like that, doesn't matter the fact that they are all running in a title fight.

Yet Caruso, Bright, Frosty or Whincup do it and its, 'no their wrong, send them to the executioner they may have accidently did it but destroy them anyway'

I am not associated with NISMO but PRA and T8 (to be fair is asking for a war. I am mainly on the PRA side but know people in T8 too). The way people have made it look is like Caruso is the devil of V8s. It was an error but will understeer and the car settling its hard to control
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Old 3 Aug 2017, 08:37 (Ref:3757159)   #181
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Sorry little buddy, understeer is a result of pushing harder into a corner than your car is capable of, simple answer, back off slightly until the understeer tapers off, and you avoid hitting the car on your outside.

I'm afraid your comment has to classify as the most ridiculous comment rather than the one 155 is making.

I guess once you get your licence and actually drive a car at speed you may figure this out for yourself.
I've got my license and have an EL falcon as a circuit car. Turning through there is a challenge in its self. A little understeer in a pack like they were in is a challenge. Lifting off in a battle pack can be the difference between being drilled or not. In saying that I know of cars I race having understeer with no throttle input at that corner
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Old 3 Aug 2017, 08:49 (Ref:3757161)   #182
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You should stick to sims.
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Old 3 Aug 2017, 08:55 (Ref:3757163)   #183
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You should stick to sims.
Why waste time on a computer when you have real racing
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Old 3 Aug 2017, 09:09 (Ref:3757167)   #184
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I've got my license and have an EL falcon as a circuit car. Turning through there is a challenge in its self. A little understeer in a pack like they were in is a challenge. Lifting off in a battle pack can be the difference between being drilled or not. In saying that I know of cars I race having understeer with no throttle input at that corner
Mate, give it up, none of that made any sense whatsoever. Understeer with no throttle input, maybe they shouldn't have approached the corner at Mach 3.
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Old 3 Aug 2017, 09:36 (Ref:3757171)   #185
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anyway 2017 Pirtek Enduro cup thread

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Old 3 Aug 2017, 10:02 (Ref:3757173)   #186
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Mate, give it up, none of that made any sense whatsoever. Understeer with no throttle input, maybe they shouldn't have approached the corner at Mach 3.
Hot tyres can also cause understeer
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Old 3 Aug 2017, 10:03 (Ref:3757174)   #187
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I will be ignoring a group of know it all hypocrites here and no heading onto what is relevant. Regardless of what some clowns say
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Old 3 Aug 2017, 10:55 (Ref:3757179)   #188
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The other day Caruso was innocent and JLB was the devil


Now you say Caruso made a mistake


Interesting
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Old 3 Aug 2017, 12:09 (Ref:3757193)   #189
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The other day Caruso was innocent and JLB was the devil


Now you say Caruso made a mistake


Interesting
I mistyped, what I meant was Jack would be seen as not ready by Nissan after that. Caruso is the only reason Nissan is backing the Kelly's and not heading to GRM or elsewhere so best for Kelly's to keep him
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Old 3 Aug 2017, 12:46 (Ref:3757198)   #190
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Cmon

You've changed tact and telling fibs
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Old 3 Aug 2017, 22:06 (Ref:3757269)   #191
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With HANS devices and driving position in the centre now it is harder and harder to see someone who wants to dive bomb so drivers will close the door and end up spinning out. If you allow it like this you end up with 90s BTCC style crash up derby which was out of control.

Careful of the rose-coloured glasses!
I've seen a lot of dodgy stuff blamed on HANS devices, but I'm very doubtful. Strapped in hard with head restraints in the seat isn't new, and the HANS doesn't prevent you from turning your head enough to see the mirrors. They can certainly see well enough to block, so they can see to leave a space. (and as a Rescue crew member, I'm a big fan of HANS devices and the improvement in driver welfare they give.)

Your comment about BTCC in the 90s is valid. That's when I stopped doing BTCC meetings because they'd turned into a load of hooligans! When diving up the inside had an intent to make contact and spoiled it for all.

Sadly, the current thinking penalises those who try to race in favour of those who wish to block and whinge. A rule set and interpretation that gives the benefit of doubt to those who try would improve things immensely.
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Old 10 Aug 2017, 09:19 (Ref:3758564)   #192
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Not long to Sandown, but who remembers this by Stenaway and Canto, A driver performances in the wet.

http://www.supercars.com/videos/cham...andown-charge/
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Old 10 Aug 2017, 11:15 (Ref:3758588)   #193
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I loved that drive. Want him full time in the series.
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I loved that drive. Want him full time in the series.
I couldn't believe it. Was one of the best drives from someone who had never raced a V8, awesome given how well he did in the wet
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Meantime in AA this week, Mr Ingall seems to think he is a genuine shot at the 2nd seat in the Tekno car come the enduros.

Perhaps he knows something we don't?
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You'd have to seriously consider him.
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Meantime in AA this week, Mr Ingall seems to think he is a genuine shot at the 2nd seat in the Tekno car come the enduros.

Perhaps he knows something we don't?
Come on Russell, whats he been smoking
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Old 11 Aug 2017, 06:18 (Ref:3758734)   #198
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Meantime in AA this week, Mr Ingall seems to think he is a genuine shot at the 2nd seat in the Tekno car come the enduros.

Perhaps he knows something we don't?
There isn't a lot of love lost between Ingall and Will Davison is there?

If Webb doesn't wish to drive, Ingall was quick enough over the past two Enduro seasons.
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You'd have to seriously consider him.
The article suggests Fox is very keen to find Mr Ingall a seat, as it enhances their telecast of the events.

A commercially minded person might suggest that for a team without substantial success in achieving full car sponsorships during its existence, being showcased to the world for 3 of the biggest weekends in the category couldn't hurt on the '18 sponsor hunt..
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The article suggests Fox is very keen to find Mr Ingall a seat, as it enhances their telecast of the events.

A commercially minded person might suggest that for a team without substantial success in achieving full car sponsorships during its existence, being showcased to the world for 3 of the biggest weekends in the category couldn't hurt on the '18 sponsor hunt..
A second car, and MSR are looking to join the series next year, as is MWM. Most likely MWM will keep their Nissans, therefore a threat to LDM's REC. Could we see a Tekno/MSR pairing next year and have a fourth, or fifth essential Triple 8 team. The three main Triple 8 cars, Tekno, Team 18 and MSR
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