Delta FF2000 and F4

[ADRS]

Hi

I bought the T78 from Roger White, I actually ran the car for him prior to buying it when I ran Formula Ford Spares with Colin Melhuish (who as you already know I sold the car to). I believe that Roger bought the car from an auction of repossessed/bankrupt items. Roger actually had a T79 or T80 too - not sure what happenned to that.

Tried to contact Roger a few times to no avail, think he is something to do with Rye House Kart Club.

I'll try to find some photos and scan tham and see what they look like !!

Tony

[mikepaterson]

Originally Posted by Alan Brown

I must be sad to have recorded a Formula Talbot chassis number!!! Perhaps I have a Sparton number as well. Definitely no photos.

The following is a curiosity. All the observations were at Gurston Down hill climbs.

1982 Chris Paterson T79/82C-041 1.1 (I guess an Imp).
1983 exactly the same programme details and sighting.
1985 Chris Paterson and Tony Tewson shared a car called a T79/85 1.1 but with the same chassis number as before.
1987 entered as T79/81-4 for Paterson and Clive Wooster (I did not record the chassis number but it has to be the same car).

I just came across this thread and thought I'd upload some photographs of my Dad Chris's T79/81-4.

He shared this car with a number of people over the years including Tony Tewson, Mike Saunders, and even me!

It was an FF2000 that had been shortened for hillclimb use - running an imp canted over on methanol.

We used f3 qualy tyres that used to last for a full season!

Cheers
Mike

[Nikitas]

Hi i would like to ask if someone can tell me what is the car in the pictures.
I found it in a farm house sitting outside for many years .
I wonder if its worth saving it .
I would appreciate any info

Thank you.

[Bob Pearson]

Originally Posted by Peter Dunne

This is the T80 that Ronnie Maybin won the Irish Hillclimb Championship with in 1997. I don't the history of the car before Ronnie, but I know that when he had it, it was fitted with a Vauxhall XE. He sold it to Cyril Lynch in 1999 with a high compression Pinto engine. Peter Mc Kinley drove it for Cyril on Irish hills in '99 and '00. It was unused until bought by its current owner, Pete Ray, in 2008

It's chassis 038, we have it now and it is returned to FF2000 spec.

[Flat Out Farr]

Hi Guys.

just found this thread and recognised one of the cars. Chris Patterson sprinted an Imp engined version of a FF2000 car and went very well. This was in the 80's. Not sure who has it now.

However, the one I always wanted was my friend's T79 owned by John Richardson, in SE London. he has owned it for years and won the Formula 4 (750 MC ) championship in it many moons ago. I understand that it has been down at Phil Price's Connaught Engine's workshop, for some restoration work with a view to converting it back to FF2000 spec.

It is a great car, ideal for stout people ! Ian knows John and can probably confirm which chassis it is.

[pantah]

Originally Posted by Bob Pearson

It's chassis 038, we have it now and it is returned to FF2000 spec.

I'm possibly looking at buying this off Bob / Ian to use in the HSCC series. Has anyone any new information on chassis 038 pre- Maybin? Those who know me know I like my cars to run in original liveries - so I'd like to know what it started out as in terms of owner/driver, colours and sponsors etc.

[Kevin D]

I believe the origional owner was Denis Mc Gall of Mondial fame. If so
This is the car that won the FF2000 feature race at Phoniex Park in 1980.
The car was all Navy Blue and ran with a Nelson engine. There
We're at least 3 T80 in Ireland at that time.

[pantah]

Originally Posted by Kevin D

I believe the origional owner was Denis Mc Gall of Mondial fame. If so
This is the car that won the FF2000 feature race at Phoniex Park in 1980.
The car was all Navy Blue and ran with a Nelson engine. There
We're at least 3 T80 in Ireland at that time.

Thank you - I will do some digging along those lines!

[Bob Pearson]

Originally Posted by pantah

Thank you - I will do some digging along those lines!

This is probably right, a little paint has chipped off the front of the body top, and it is dark blue underneath.
We have almost finished replacing all suspect parts identified while I raced it earlier this year.
To drive, it's the nicest FF2000 I have tried.

[delta]

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Me and Mrs Delta spent the weekend in Brighton , Could not resist the temptation to go and find where Delta all started. Here we are 10 Wilbury Grove, Brighton. B T W I have been contacted by two more Delta owners in Holland this year. Beginning to think they built did build up to 100 cars.

[delta]

Good afternoon everyone.

We're reviving an old thread so we can get as comprehensive list of chassis numbers up and running.

It's been over 30 years since I took on building and running Delta's and have often talked about setting up an owners club. Well it's going to happen now.

Now all I need is for all Delta owners (past and present), Drivers, Friends to get in touch with info on their car as well as pictures and history .

Those that posted previously will get a PM from HQMsport (Bryan Hull) over the next few weeks who has agreed to start the register of chassis numbers and any known history.

I intend to get new delta chassis plates made up from 001 -100 . If your car does have a chassis plate you can have the same number to match existing number .

If in the meanwhile you wish to contact Bryan direct you can do at hqmsport @gmail.com (remove the space)

[HQMsport]

I'm now going to start working my way through this thread. Lots of great information already provided.

There are five chassis at Delta. Only 95 more to confirm, if Iain has his numbers right.

We don't expect to indentify them all but it'll be great to find out how many survive and how many are still in regular use.

Bryan

[HQMsport]

So a slow trawl this thread and I think we've indentified 20 chassis, including those here at Delta Motorsport.

It'll soon be time to contact those that have so generously provided info to confirm the current ownership.

[sunrisemac]

I've just come across this thread and thought I would offer any thoughts I could as I fabricated most of the chassis between 1979 and 1982 and was one of the guys who built the Deltas from those chassis. Iain Rowley knows me as the guy who ran Bill Cowlings 784 Delta which as I recall was chassis 9

[HQMsport]

Do you know approximately how many were made and a guess at how many wouldn't have had a chassis plate fitted?

[allenbrown]

Best of luck with the registry guys!

[HQMsport]

Can we have a chat about it as I believe you're a key source of information and knowledge on this? I know you were on holiday last week and the next day I'll be able look at this will be next Tuesday due to work and competition commitments.

[Dan Rear]

Probably already noted up above, but in 1982 F4 I noted the Cliff Watts T79 as 024, and the Peter Meyrick T80 as -043

[HQMsport]

I have been contacted by one of my rallying contacts re a Delta in Eire, I'm awaiting details but it maybe one we already know about.

Does anyone have any recommendations for other forums or social media that can be used to find a few more cars and fill in some blanks?

[delta]

Thanks Dan I have 024 . I have been contacted by several owner but of corse they all say " you know my car " Grrrrrr

[Chris Townsend]

This is what I have in my database. Chassis numbers are taken from 1: period adverts 2: period observations 3: working back from surviving car.


Delta T77 001 1977 first works car, Richard Wills from June, Mike White spare early 1978; Bill Taylor late 1978 used in libre then to Canada? AS 22.2.79 p. 48

Delta T77 002 1977 works car for Bruce Coate-Bond, wrecked Snetterton, written off?

Delta T77 003 1977 late season works car for Mike Quinn, two races only when f/s Autosport 1.12.77 p. 78 w c/n


Delta T78 006 either Paul Smith – new Brands 12 March 78 to John Holmes 1979-80, OR
Works car for Koechlin and Pigot early 1978, (this maybe 001)

Delta T78 007 Mike White early 1978, see Delta ad in Autosport late 78

Delta T784 008 “Ex Ian Briggs F4 car” Briggs to Nigel Rees ‘ex Briggs’ in F4 AS 1983; 1998 Alan Goodman

Delta T78 009 Richard Peacock 1978: f/s Lodge Corner Agencies, 1 June 1978, “new Good Friday” with c/n and picture of car

Delta T78 013 1978: Frank Bradley, retained early 1979 as show car then to Keith Fitzsimmons, April

Delta T78 014 1978: Thomas Lauda BHR

Delta T78 021 1978 UNK; late 1982 1983: Roger White; 1984 Tony Sturgess; 1985 Colin Meluish retained 1986

Delta T79 024 1979 Autowindscreens as show car, then Mike White f/s AS 6.12.79 p. 59 w c/n seven races
from new, won five [Oulton 29.9.79; Thruxton 30.9.79; Snetterton 7.10.79; Mallory
14.10.79; Thruxton 3.11.79; Adrian Reynard in 1980? then Cliff Watts F4; 1986 to present Ian Rowley

Delta T79 027 1979 works, f/s 29.11.79 p. 60 with c/n excellent history including 2nd Nivelle Euro round ,
pole Silverstone GP circuit; Scorpion Race Hire: Roy Goff; 1984 Alan Tulloch; 1985 Alan Parker

Delta T79 028 1979: David Beattie f/s AS 20/27.12.79 p.45 ; 1980 Geoff Keen; 1981 Mark Storer retained 1982 as F4

Delta T79 029 1979: Ron Kluit [NH]

Delta T79 030 1979: Late season works car [Wittenden?] f/s by works 29.11.79 p. 60 w c/n three races from new, built Sept 79

Delta T80 032 1997 Ian Fernihough FF2000 (Might be Dave Manners' 1980 car

Delta T80 034 1980 Saeed Roshanzamir

Delta T80 038 1980: Dennis McGall [NI]; Leslie Wright; 1983 James Tolerton ‘ex Leslie Wright T80’; 1997 or earlier Ronnie Maybin;
1999-2008 Cyril Lynch [driven by Peter McKinley]; 2008 Peter Ray ; 2014 Bob Pearson

Delta T80T 040 1981 Don Manley F.Talbot

Delta T80 041 1982/83 Chris Paterson [plate T79/82C-041 so perhaps factory update of T79]

Delta T80 042 1980 UNK; 1981 Ronnie Grant retained 1982

Delta T80 043 1980-81 UNK; 1982 Peter Meyrick F4

Delta T81 047 1981 Works Dave Coyne

Delta T81 049 1981 Joey Greenan/John Uprichard; 2000 Ronnie Maybin 2002 Michael Roche

Delta T81 050 1981 Cor Euser

Delta T824C 056 1982-83 Charles Barter; 1985-89 Richard Homer

[HQMsport]

Excellent Chris thank you for the above. Much of the info I've gleened has come from your and Allen's posts.

[HQMsport]

Originally Posted by Dan Rear

Probably already noted up above, but in 1982 F4 I noted the Cliff Watts T79 as 024, and the Peter Meyrick T80 as -043

You have confirmed what others have said. It's always good when multiple sources come up with the same answer.

024 is here at Delta but does anyone know where 043 is?

[HQMsport]

Originally Posted by sunrisemac

I've just come across this thread and thought I would offer any thoughts I could as I fabricated most of the chassis between 1979 and 1982 and was one of the guys who built the Deltas from those chassis. Iain Rowley knows me as the guy who ran Bill Cowlings 784 Delta which as I recall was chassis 9

Thanks for confirming it's 009.

I don't suppose you've got the chassis records hidden away somewhere......

Chassis numbers don't appear to be linear, would this be correct?

As mentioned before a rally buddy of mine has notified me of a Sprint car in Ireland and the owner thinks it could be a T79 but the MSA and MI paperwork has it down as a T85 (maybe because of the bodywork) and there is a suspicion that it could be a T81......but no chassis number!

It's now fitted with a Honda S2000 engine and so I'll read through this thread again and see if the owner has already posted.

[Dan Rear]

I had a good chat with Richard Peacock yesterday. He said he used his car from very early '78, but not for long. He says he sold it back to Crossley, who, he thought, used it for the 'works' entered Mike White car. Not sure this fits does it?