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Old 19 Jan 2009, 23:20 (Ref:2374891)   #126
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heres my new list

Seiders Racing Team (SRT)
#13 - SRT – Gulf Weston Oil – Colin Seiders - BA Falcon
#19 - SRT - Gulf Weston Oil - David Seiders - BA Falcon

Slade Speed (SS)
#23 - SS – AutoPro – Tim Slade - VZ/VE Commodore

Matthew White Racing (MWR)
#28 - MWR - Lowe Earthmoving – Brad Lowe – BF Falcon
#29 - MWR – Dwyer Quality Homes - Damian Assailit – BA Falcon
#30 - MWR – Hero Energy Drink - Paul Laskazeski - BF Falcon

Howard Racing (HOW)
#27 - HOW – Jaylec - Tim Blanchard - BF Falcon
#32 - HOW – Sherrin Rentals – Ian Sherrin - BF Falcon
#37 - HOW – Crimsafe – David Russell - BF Falcon

Rod Dawson Motorsport (RDM)
#31 - RDM – DBA Brakes – ???? - BA Falcon

TAG Motorsport (TAG)
#35 - TAG - Alternative Freight Services – Tony Bates – VZ Commodore
#36 - TAG – Economy Bolt Company - Geoff Emery - VZ Commodore

Greg Murphy Racing (GMR)
#46 - GMR - Industrie - Neil McFadyen - VE Commodore
#47 - GMR – Race Fit - James Winslow - VE Commodore
#95 - GMR – Hairy Lemon Energy Drink - Brett Holdsworth - VZ Commodore

Jay Motorsport (JAY)
#42 – JM – JV Crash – Jay Verdnik - VZ Commodore
#43 - JM – Simotas Foods – Aaron Zerefos - VZ Commodore

Sonic Motor Racing (SMR)
#56 – SMR - ADRAD - Bryce Washington – BF Falcon
#57 – SMR – True Line – James Moffat – BF Falcon

Race Image (RI)
#60 - RI - Go-Karts-Go – Drew Russell – BF Falcon
#61 - RI - Chantilly's of Taupo - Gene Rollinson – BA Falcon

Paul Morris Motorsport (Paul Morris Motorsport)
#68 - PMM - Sirromet – Leanne Tander - VE Commodore

Eggleston Motorsport (EMS)
#38 - EMS – ???? – Ben Eggleston- VZ Commodore
#54 - EMS – ???? - ???? - VZ Commodore

Wollongong Performance Racing (WPR)
#84 - WPR - Selec TV- Damian White - VZ Commodore
#85 - WPR – Bible Society NSW - Andrew Fisher – VZ Commodore

West Coast Racing (WCR)
#74 - WCR – Action Mining Services – Mark McNally - VZ Commodore
#76 - WCR – Action Mining Services – Glenn McNally - VZ Commodore

Aaron McGill Motorsport (AMM)
#75 - AMM – Oporto – Aaron McGill – BA Falcon

Action Racing (AR)
#73 - AR – No Fear – Marcus Zukanovic – VZ Commodore

Independant Race Cars (IRC)
#64- IRC – Global Jet – Michael Trimble – BF Falcon
#65 - IRC – Milwaukee – Andy Knight – BF Falcon

Sydney Star Racing (SSR)
#98 - SSR – Gawler Farm Machinery – Ben Clucas – VZ Commodore

Tony D'Alberto Racing (TDR)
#99 - TDR – High Roller Energy Drink – Nick Percat – VZ Commodore
#100 - TDR – Total Tools – Shane Price – VZ Commodore

Loadsman Racing (LR)
#62 - LR – Andrew Walter Constructions - Sam Walter - VZ Commodore

Dick Johnson Racing (DJR)
#71 - NOVUS - Karl Reindler - BF Falcon

Darren Saillard Racing (DSR)
#52 - DSR - Hayters - Darren Saillard - BA Falcon
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Old 19 Jan 2009, 23:29 (Ref:2374896)   #127
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Do these lists have any relation to reality ??? Or are they just wishful thinking? There seems to be a lot of dreaming going on. but then again there are a lot of drivers on the hope train.... hoping that they will get a sponsor, and hoping that they will get 'picked up' for a main game drive.... hahaha LOL
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Old 20 Jan 2009, 00:02 (Ref:2374914)   #128
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I have plans to own a Ferrari. Can you get that into a list?
That's a pearler!!
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Old 20 Jan 2009, 00:07 (Ref:2374915)   #129
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I have plans to own a Ferrari. Can you get that into a list?
Apparently all you need to do is find an Energy Drink, and they'll throw money at you....
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Old 20 Jan 2009, 01:55 (Ref:2374966)   #130
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most of the energy drinks i havn't heard of?????

so i'll just come up with an energy drink that will back me in finding a drive. !!!!!! Bull**** Energy !!!!! they are trying to break into the Australian market.
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Old 20 Jan 2009, 12:46 (Ref:2375259)   #131
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[QUOTE=JackBlahBlah]heres my new list




Matthew White Racing (MWR)
#28 - MWR - Lowe Earthmoving – Brad Lowe – BF Falcon
#29 - MWR – Dwyer Quality Homes - Damian Assailit – BA Falcon
#30 - MWR – Hero Energy Drink - Paul Laskazeski - BF Falcon
Is Damian confirmed here, he is in pretty tight with Bruce


Rod Dawson Motorsport (RDM)
#31 - RDM – DBA Brakes – ???? - BA Falcon
DBA brakes and Rod Dawson???????

Greg Murphy Racing (GMR)
#46 - GMR - Industrie - Neil McFadyen - VE Commodore
#47 - GMR – Race Fit - James Winslow - VE Commodore
#95 - GMR – Hairy Lemon Energy Drink - Brett Holdsworth - VZ Commodore
Holdsworth still talking to others, another energy drink?

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#60 - RI - Go-Karts-Go – Drew Russell – BF Falcon
#61 - RI - Chantilly's of Taupo - Gene Rollinson – BA Falcon
Has Gene finally found the $$$

Paul Morris Motorsport (Paul Morris Motorsport)
#68 - PMM - Sirromet – Leanne Tander - VE CommodoreNo Money


Wollongong Performance Racing (WPR)
#84 - WPR - Selec TV- Damian White - VZ Commodore
#85 - WPR – Bible Society NSW - Andrew Fisher – VZ Commodorewpr own one car and Fisher is in it, White has no money

West Coast Racing (WCR)
#74 - WCR – Action Mining Services – Mark McNally - VZ Commodore
#76 - WCR – Action Mining Services – Glenn McNally - VZ Commodore
Does Glen know he is leaving utes considering he owns one



#98 - SSR – Gawler Farm Machinery – Ben Clucas – VZ Commodore
again where is his money coming from

Tony D'Alberto Racing (TDR)
#99 - TDR – High Roller Energy Drink – Nick Percat – VZ Commodore
#100 - TDR – Total Tools – Shane Price – VZ Commodore
energy drinks cant get the fridge space to sell and then have trouble paying up

Loadsman Racing (LR)
#62 - LR – Andrew Walter Constructions - Sam Walter - VZ Commodore
not at the end of last week he wasn't

all these energy drinks, as I said above they can not get fridge space to sell their products and very rarely come good in paying up sponsor dollars. Last year there were 3 that I can think of that offered the world and delivered nothing.
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Old 20 Jan 2009, 20:12 (Ref:2375549)   #132
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Spot on with the Energy drink companies, look at Roaring Lion with the Utes!

Hairy Lemon sponsored Holdsworth last year, pretty sure it is still on for this year, they actually aren't an energy drink more like Berocca.

I doubt Gawler Farm Machinery are a sponsor of Tim Slade, can't see them steeping up to a full deal.

And no I am not Driving for Ben, it's amazing isn't it how people don't actually read posts properly, I never actually said I was driving, they just read it that way and next thing I find my self in the #54!!

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Old 20 Jan 2009, 22:46 (Ref:2375671)   #133
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heres my new list

Rod Dawson Motorsport (RDM)
#31 - RDM – DBA Brakes – ???? - BA Falcon
DBA brakes and Rod Dawson???????

Greg Murphy Racing (GMR)
#47 - GMR – Race Fit - James Winslow - VE Commodore
Rod Dawson has a strong association with DBA through his V8 Race business, DBA appeared on the car for the last two rounds in 08. Also whilst talking of Rod, his race team is known as "Radspeed" and was running under the "Peters Motorsport" licence previously.

Also, I do wish to see Winslow step up to the Fujitsu series, but he, like many other young talented drivers, suffers from a severe lack of budget, so I can't see this happening, although it would be fabulous if he could do it!
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Old 21 Jan 2009, 06:01 (Ref:2375803)   #134
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West Coast Racing has a spare car in WA that they have plans to race this year
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Old 21 Jan 2009, 10:48 (Ref:2375992)   #135
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They had that car last year, using it as ride car, but as its the ex Skaife/Kelly 2005 Bathurst winner I don't know how much racing it's going to do.
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Old 24 Jan 2009, 05:37 (Ref:2378059)   #136
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New List

Seiders Racing Team (SRT)
#13 - SRT – Gulf Weston Oil – Arrive And Drive????? - BA Falcon
#19 - SRT - Gulf Weston Oil - David Seiders - BA Falcon

Slade Speed (SS)
#23 - SS – AutoPro – Tim Slade - VZ/VE Commodore

Matthew White Racing (MWR)
#28 - MWR - Lowe Earthmoving – Brad Lowe – BF Falcon
#29 - MWR – Dwyer Quality Homes - Damian Assailit – BA Falcon
#30 - MWR – ???? - Paul Laskazeski - BF Falcon

Howard Racing (HOW)
#27 - HOW – Sherrin Rentals – Ian Sherrin - BF Falcon
#37 - HOW – Crimsafe – David Russell - BF Falcon

Radspeed (RDM)
#31 - RS – DBA Brakes – Luke Youlden - BA Falcon

TAG Motorsport (TAG)
#35 - TAG - Alternative Freight Services – Tony Bates – VZ Commodore
#36 - TAG – Economy Bolt Company - Geoff Emery - VZ Commodore

Greg Murphy Racing (GMR)
#46 - GMR - Industrie - Neil McFadyen - VE Commodore
#47 - GMR – Andrew Walter Constructions - Sam Walter - VE Commodore
#95 - GMR – Hairy Lemon Energy Drink - Brett Holdsworth - VZ Commodore

Jay Motorsport (JAY)
#42 – JM – JV Crash – Jay Verdnik - VZ Commodore
#43 - JM – Simotas Foods – Aaron Zerefos - VZ Commodore

Sonic Motor Racing (SMR)
#56 – SMR - ADRAD - Bryce Washington – BF Falcon
#57 – SMR – True Line – James Moffat – BF Falcon

Race Image (RI)
#60 - RI - Go-Karts-Go – Drew Russell – BF Falcon
#61 - RI - Chantilly's of Taupo - Gene Rollinson – BA Falcon

Paul Morris Motorsport (Paul Morris Motorsport)
#68 - PMM - Sirromet – Leanne Tander - VE Commodore

Eggleston Motorsport (EMS)
#38 - EMS – ???? – Ben Eggleston- VZ Commodore
#54 - EMS – ???? - ???? - VZ Commodore

Wollongong Performance Racing (WPR)
#85 - WPR – Bible Society NSW - Andrew Fisher – VZ Commodore

West Coast Racing (WCR)
#74 - WCR – Action Mining Services – Mark McNally - VZ Commodore
#76 - WCR – Action Mining Services – Glenn McNally - VZ Commodore

Aaron McGill Motorsport (AMM)
#75 - AMM – Oporto – Aaron McGill – BA Falcon

Action Racing (AR)
#73 - AR – No Fear – Marcus Zukanovic – VZ Commodore

Independant Race Cars Australia (IRCA)
#64- IRC – Global Jet – Michael Trimble – BF Falcon
#65 - IRC – Milwaukee – Andy Knight – BF Falcon

Sydney Star Racing (SSR)
#98 - SSR – Jaylec - Tim Blanchard - VZ Commodore

Tony D'Alberto Racing (TDR)
#99 - TDR – Percat Automotive – Nick Percat – VZ Commodore
#100 - TDR – Total Tools – Shane Price – VZ Commodore

Loadsman Racing (LR)
#62 - LR – Tint-A-Car - James Winslow - VZ Commodore

Dick Johnson Racing (DJR)
#71 - NOVUS - Karl Reindler - BF Falcon

Darren Saillard Racing? (DSR)
#52? - DSR - Hayters - Darren Saillard? - BA Falcon?
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Old 24 Jan 2009, 05:39 (Ref:2378060)   #137
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Old 24 Jan 2009, 06:17 (Ref:2378066)   #138
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Old 24 Jan 2009, 07:15 (Ref:2378071)   #139
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Geez I thought Proracer could post some list, Pro's got nothing on this guy.

Isn't Leanne prepared to sit out this year? She has even stated it in Auto Action that this year is unlikely and is now focusing on 2010. So unless some one throws a heap of cash at her, she'll be sitting in the stand cheering on hubby.

Has Paul Morris confirmed that they are running an entry in the fujitsu series?

Also interesting that every man and his dog has Steve Owen taking the Tint-a-car money with him to the main game. So tint-a-car must have alot of $$$$ to through around with him and Loadsman.
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Old 24 Jan 2009, 07:19 (Ref:2378073)   #140
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Old 25 Jan 2009, 08:02 (Ref:2378572)   #141
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Just a few statistics. JackBlahBlah has posted 9 lists in his current total of 72 posts that is 1 in 8 or 12.5% of his total posts. Not that I am saying that is wrong, but Jackblahblah is merely posting his thoughts on the lineup for 2009.

There will be 9 new FGs making their appearance at the Clipsal 500 in 2009, meaning there is 9 BFs available to be raced in the Fujitsu round in Adelaide.

Matthew White has got the two ex. FPR BFs
Sonic Motorsport has got two of the ex. 888 BFs
IRC will be running two ex. SBR BFs
There is speculation that DJR will be running their BFs in the Fujitsu Series
The ex. Marshal Britek car is for sale
The ex. Bright 2 x Britek cars are for sale
The ex. Morton car is for sale
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Old 26 Jan 2009, 02:01 (Ref:2379320)   #142
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#60 - RI - Go-Karts-Go – Drew Russell – BF Falcon
#61 - RI - Chantilly's of Taupo - Gene Rollinson – BA Falcon

There is no contracted driver for #61 at this point in time. Drew is locked in though.
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Old 26 Jan 2009, 02:09 (Ref:2379322)   #143
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There is no contracted driver for #61 at this point in time. Drew is locked in though.
Arguably only if the purple VZ is sold....
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Deal is done to the very, very best of my knowledge without immediate need to sell the VZ.
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Old 27 Jan 2009, 00:16 (Ref:2380064)   #145
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a list with alot of changes

Seiders Racing Team (SRT)
#13 - SRT – Gulf Weston Oil – Arrive And Drive????? - BA Falcon
#19 - SRT - Gulf Weston Oil - David Seiders - BA Falcon

Team BOC (BJR)
#21 - BJR - BOC - Andrew Jones - BF Falcon

Slade Speed (SS)
#23 - SS – AutoPro – Tim Slade - VZ Commodore

Matthew White Racing (MWR)
#28 - MWR - Lowe Earthmoving – Brad Lowe – BF Falcon
#29 - MWR – Dwyer Quality Homes - Damian Assailit – BF Falcon

ANT Racing (ANT)
#30 - ANT – ???? - Paul Laskazeski - BA Falcon

Howard Racing (HOW)
#27 - HOW – Sherrin Rentals – Grant Sherrin - BF Falcon
#37 - HOW – Sherrin Rentals – David Russell - BF Falcon

Radspeed (RDM)
#31 - RS – DBA Brakes – Luke Youlden - BA Falcon

TAG Motorsport (TAG)
#35 - TAG - Alternative Freight Services – Tony Bates – VZ Commodore
#36 - TAG – Economy Bolt Company - Geoff Emery - VZ Commodore

Greg Murphy Racing (GMR)
#46 - GMR - Industrie - Neil McFadyen - VE Commodore
#47 - GMR – Andrew Walter Constructions - Sam Walter - VE Commodore
#48 - GMR – Blackwoods/JBS - Jono Lester - VZ Commodore

Jay Motorsport (JAY)
#42 – JM – JV Crash – Jay Verdnik - VZ Commodore
#43 - JM – Simotas Foods – Aaron Zerefos - VZ Commodore

Sonic Motor Racing (SMR)
#56 – SMR - ADRAD - Bryce Washington – BF Falcon
#57 – SMR – True Line – James Moffat – BF Falcon

Race Image (RI)
#60 - RI - Go-Karts-Go – Drew Russell – BA Falcon
#61 - RI - ???? - ???? – ????

Paul Morris Motorsport (Paul Morris Motorsport)
#68 - PMM - Sirromet – ???? - VE Commodore

Eggleston Motorsport (EMS)
#38 - EMS – ???? – Ben Eggleston- VZ Commodore
#54 - EMS – ???? - ???? - VZ Commodore

Wollongong Performance Racing (WPR)
#85 - WPR – Bible Society NSW - Andrew Fisher – VZ Commodore

West Coast Racing (WCR)
#74 - WCR – NRW Holdings – Mark McNally - VZ Commodore

Aaron McGill Motorsport (AMM)
#75 - AMM – Oporto – Aaron McGill – BA Falcon

Action Racing (AR)
#73 - AR – No Fear – Marcus Zukanovic – VZ Commodore

Independant Race Cars Australia (IRCA)
#64- IRC – Global Jet – Michael Trimble – BF Falcon
#65 - IRC – Milwaukee – Andy Knight – BF Falcon

Sydney Star Racing (SSR)
#95 - SSR – Hairy Lemon - Brett Holdsworth - VZ Commodore

Tony D'Alberto Racing (TDR)
#99 - TDR – Percat Automotive – Nick Percat – VZ Commodore
#100 - TDR – Total Tools – Shane Price – VZ Commodore

Loadsman Racing (LR)
#62 - LR – Power Plus 98 - Darren Formosa - VZ Commodore

Dick Johnson Racing (DJR)
#71 - NOVUS - Karl Reindler - BF Falcon
#81 - ???? - ???? - BF Falcon

Darren Saillard Racing???? (DSR)
#52 - DSR - Hayters - Darren Saillard - BA Falcon
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Seiders Racing Team (SRT)
#13 - SRT – Gulf Weston Oil – Arrive And Drive????? - BA Falcon
#19 - SRT - Gulf Weston Oil - David Seiders - BA Falcon

Team BOC (BJR)
#21 - BJR - BOC - Andrew Jones - BF Falcon

Slade Speed (SS)
#23 - SS – AutoPro – Tim Slade - VZ Commodore

Matthew White Racing (MWR)
#28 - MWR - Lowe Earthmoving – Brad Lowe – BF Falcon
#29 - MWR – Dwyer Quality Homes - Damian Assailit – BF Falcon

ANT Racing (ANT)
#30 - ANT – ???? - Paul Laskazeski - BA Falcon

Howard Racing (HOW)
#27 - HOW – Sherrin Rentals – Grant Sherrin - BF Falcon
#37 - HOW – Sherrin Rentals – David Russell - BF Falcon

Radspeed (RDM)
#31 - RS – DBA Brakes – Luke Youlden - BA Falcon

TAG Motorsport (TAG)
#35 - TAG - Alternative Freight Services – Tony Bates – VZ Commodore
#36 - TAG – Economy Bolt Company - Geoff Emery - VZ Commodore

Greg Murphy Racing (GMR)
#46 - GMR - Industrie - Neil McFadyen - VE Commodore
#47 - GMR – Andrew Walter Constructions - Sam Walter - VE Commodore
#48 - GMR – Blackwoods/JBS - Jono Lester - VZ Commodore

Jay Motorsport (JAY)
#42 – JM – JV Crash – Jay Verdnik - VZ Commodore
#43 - JM – Simotas Foods – Aaron Zerefos - VZ Commodore

Sonic Motor Racing (SMR)
#56 – SMR - ADRAD - Bryce Washington – BF Falcon
#57 – SMR – True Line – James Moffat – BF Falcon

Race Image (RI)
#60 - RI - Go-Karts-Go – Drew Russell – BA Falcon
#61 - RI - ???? - ???? – ????

Paul Morris Motorsport (Paul Morris Motorsport)
#68 - PMM - Sirromet – ???? - VE Commodore

Eggleston Motorsport (EMS)
#38 - EMS – ???? – Ben Eggleston- VZ Commodore
#54 - EMS – ???? - ???? - VZ Commodore

Wollongong Performance Racing (WPR)
#85 - WPR – Bible Society NSW - Andrew Fisher – VZ Commodore

West Coast Racing (WCR)
#74 - WCR – NRW Holdings – Mark McNally - VZ Commodore

Aaron McGill Motorsport (AMM)
#75 - AMM – Oporto – Aaron McGill – BA Falcon

Action Racing (AR)
#73 - AR – No Fear – Marcus Zukanovic – VZ Commodore

Independant Race Cars Australia (IRCA)
#64- IRC – Global Jet – Michael Trimble – BF Falcon
#65 - IRC – Milwaukee – Andy Knight – BF Falcon

Sydney Star Racing (SSR)
#95 - SSR – Hairy Lemon - Brett Holdsworth - VZ Commodore

Tony D'Alberto Racing (TDR)
#99 - TDR – Percat Automotive – Nick Percat – VZ Commodore
#100 - TDR – Total Tools – Shane Price – VZ Commodore

Loadsman Racing (LR)
#62 - SLR – Tint-A-Car - Scott Loadsman- VZ Commodore

Dick Johnson Racing (DJR)
#71 - DJR - NOVUS - Karl Reindler - BF Falcon
#81 - DJR - Coca-Cola - David Besnard - BF Falcon

Darren Saillard Racing???? (DSR)
#52 - DSR - Hayters - Darren Saillard - BA Falcon
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#62 - LR – Power Plus 98 - Darren Formosa - VZ Commodore

never gonna happen...Loadsman and Formosa in same team...who would kill who first
Plus, powerplus and Formosa went their different ways mid 2008. So could see powerplus there somewhere maybe if they have money to spend...
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