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4 May 2009, 00:44 (Ref:2454863) | #1 | ||
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Parity- Its coming!
3 Ford wins in a row. The P word cant be far away. it will be interesting considering when the FG was approved it was tested directly against the Holden and ajusted to make sure they were equal.
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It's just one team that's doing most of the winning - all the other Fords are on par with the Holdens.
Everyone else needs to lift their game to the same level as 888. |
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Championship standings-
Ford Holden Ford Holden Holden Holden Ford Ford Holden Ford It's all over, red rover! Holden can't say peep, they signed off on the design, parity this year isn't a probably... except for those pesky BFs that have needed a parity adjustment since last year! |
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4 May 2009, 02:03 (Ref:2454895) | #4 | ||
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So is anyone able to guess what edge 888 have? Is it engine, dampers, weight distribution?
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They've built more FG's compared to FPR and SBR therefore have a better understanding at how to get the best out of them.
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Unless it's engine mapping. It can't be weight distribution surely. Everything is located the same as the cars in other teams. It could be setup. Springs and dampers. |
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No 888 have their own engines, not DJR's.
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4 May 2009, 04:04 (Ref:2454921) | #8 | ||
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Maybe we should start another thread about 888's performance edge. A real discussion about engineering and no Holden vs Ford rubbish
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I believe the majority of their advantage comes from the organic inserts they place in their drivers seats.
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I wear red goggles, and I don't think there needs to be any parity adjustment. The red teams simply need to pull their finger out.
Team red were winning a fair bit last year with essentially the same car. And they were doing better lap times last year than it seems this year. I think the red side need to accept the fact that they stuffed up by disbanding (by choice or by end result) the HSV team. Even though it exists in another form now, it aint nothing like it used to be. Why fix something if it aint broke... So team red (all quarters) needs to take a viagra pill (so they can take a long hard look at themselves), discover and accept their errors, and simply bloody well get on with it. It is interesting that the only red driver looking like doing anything championship wise (consistency, goodish performances) was a blue man last year. Now if only Mr Davison could qualify better, he'd be dangerous. And that's no criticism as it is a new environment for him and he is doing pretty well considering. This reminds me of when HRT were unstoppable. Back then, if you took them out of the standings, it was a pretty closely fought championship between the rest. All we are doing now is substituting 888 with the HRT of old. I don't think its fair now to slog 888 because they have worked the hardest and are successful, as I didn't think it was fair back then when people were calling for HRT's head. I wonder if 888 would have equally well performing chassis' if they bolted on Aurion panels? I don' think it's the body shape or engine which is paying them dividends... |
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Do you remember when Simon Mcnamara (boss of Holden Motorsport) saying that he had documented proof that the BF Falcon had better aerodynamics than the VE Commodore last year. He pushed for a parity adjustment midway through 2008. He said the Fords would come back to them with the introduction of the FG Falcon as the aerodynamics was much similar to the VE than the BF was.
We are now 4 events into the 2009 season (incl. the AGP support) and it appears that the teams that did OK with the BF Falcon are doing just as good a job with the FG. On the Holden side, the shining light for them last year, Garth Tander is getting pressured from the ex. DJR driver Will Davison. Will seems to have a better handle on the VE at the moment. Holden are struggling with the destabilization of the factory team, with the Kelly's going on their own way. HRT have established driver Garth Tander and a new to Holden Will Davison HSVDT have experienced Paul Dumbrell, but I would not rate him in the top 50% of the drivers in the category. They also have newcomer to the main series Dean Reynolds who is yet to find his feet. The experienced factory drivers Todd & Rick Kelly have joined up with Perkins Engineering. Perkins has been struggling for results in the last few years, but with the Kelly brothers, they should be regular top runners by the end of the year. GRM seem to be doing a better job than the factory Holdens and that could be put down to consistancy within the team. Again the Ford teams that are doing well have been working on a consistant platform for a couple of years. Have you also noticed that the second generation Walkinshaw Commodores do not seem to be as sharp as the first. WP001 to WP005 started life in 2007 and all seem to be competitive. WP001 (the prototype was the only one that did not win a race) WP006 to WP009 started life in late 2007 do not seem to be as competitive. Sorry for the longwinded post, but I think Holden will get back to the top if they keep the teams stable. |
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Best way to solve the parity problem is for Triple 8 to start building Holdens as well as Fords.
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KRE supply them, PCR and Marcus Marshall has been out since last year. Im lost to as why people still dont know when they are on a forum like this
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Probably because it can get confusing as to who is supplying whoever from year to year for those of us that don't stay on top of that side of the sport.
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i think we alreadt have parity 5 fords and 5 holdens in the top ten 2 forda and 3 holdens in the top 5. sounds pretty equal to me
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Simple, 888 are head and shoulders above the rest at present. The other teams (blue and red) have to get their acts together. |
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Just thought I'd mention that parity is based on lap times, not championship positions.
So far in the races, on average, the FG is outpacing the VE. Winton seemed a lot closer in qualifying on Saturday, but after that time the Holden couldn't keep pace on the hard tyre. Obviously 888 are doing a great job and the Holden teams are a bit hit and miss so far, but just maybe the Holden teams are needing to try harder for some reason? |
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Best post! Tall poppy syndrome I believe, and this won't be the last crack at 888 either. |
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Intresting Hamilton NZ stats from Natsoft for the meeting,
fastest lap by a Holden 1.23.562 Will Davison ....laprecord fastest lap by a Ford 1.23.623 Jamie Whincup gees that seems the fastest of each brand are damned close! Holden has the speed but in a race it doesnt transpire ! |
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Drivers have little to do with the performance of V8 supercars.
More than any other type of racing in the world V8 Supercars is about the car and not the driver. all of which says that the 888 cars are a class above the rest of the field and a definately class above the other Fords( especially SBR). |
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thats bull champcar man
and its this simple GT left mark skaife for dead last year, same cars only difference was the driver. Jenson button on the other hand was an also ran, suddenly he is leading the championship |
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