[Driver] Vettel vs Webber: Round 2

[jab]

Webber cocked up

Discuss

[Jamesy-18]

First blood to Vettel I'd say, but first he has to convert the pole to the win.

[Adam43]

Webber's advantage is/was experience. As time goes on that advantage ebbs away.

[Knowlesy]

With the low fuel qualfying back I expect the grid advantage this year to be on the side of We....

Oh.

[OZ_HCR32]

Do we have to do this again? More interested in looking at the Mercedes, Mclaren and Ferrari boys

2010 will be more of 2009. Vettel the better qualifier, will most likely get a few more wins then Webber, Webbers only hope is his inner mongrel is still strong and he can be on the front two rows and hope that he can conserve tyres better then Vettel. One area you can say he is better then Vettel, lol probably because he is a fraction slower

[browney]

Originally Posted by OZ_HCR32

Do we have to do this again? More interested in looking at the Mercedes, Mclaren and Ferrari boys

Yeah, why do we have to have another one of these threads again. Are we going to have the entire first page of the forum with each teams driver vs. the other one?

Fair enough when there is something to discuss but at rd 1, when one driver simply outqualified the other?

BORING.

[Mr V]

I think that Mark can feel relieved this evening because he should have, had it not have been for reliability, been 21 points behind his team mate already.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Mr V

I think that Mark can feel relieved this evening because he should have, had it not have been for reliability, been 21 points behind his team mate already.

It's amazing to think that just one faulty spark-plug could cost Vettel the WDC.

I don't think that Webber has anything to worry about this early in the season.

[Bononi]

It's too early to start such discussion. I don't think this thread should continue.

[Born Racer]

My opinion Bononi is that it should be left open, and let's hope that it gets discussed more when the topic has some mileage again. It was a close battle at times last year, and given how highly Vettel is rated, Webber did not disgrace himself at all. There will be things to talk about with it this year.

If we can concentrate the debate into this thread, it should be good.

[Wrex]

Shame for Vettel, a win straight up would have been well deserved. After last season, I'm not convinced Webber has the qual advantage he enjoyed over other team mates, so I think that combined with no over taking means Vettel will make it 2:0.

Mark will push him though.

[Super Hans]

It seemed to me that Webber simply made a Horlicks of his quali lap and was therefore doomed to spend the afternoon stuck in traffic.

[jab]

Well I know his lack of quali pace last year was put down by some to his leg, because he didn't have the sensitivity there. But that should be sorted now and yet Seb did seem to have the edge on him all weekend, regardless of his mistake, so I guess that isn't it

I think maybe it's pressure, and making mistakes. Before now, as you say, his team mates weren't the quickest over one lap, and with less pressure, he was able to let his driving flow. But now he has SebVet alongside him who is phenomenally fast and he's got a car he knows he could get poles and wins with, so maybe he's feeling more pressure to try and beat him and his other rivals which is leading him to make mistakes at key moments. Or maybe he has lost something with his accident. Pass. Only the man himself can answer that one, if anyone can

If he had his quali pace of before last year and his race pace and racecraft of last year, he'd be one of, if not the best driver on the grid. He's one of the best drivers on the grid anyway but he'd be a top tier driver if he can nail quali like he used to. Maybe he will at tracks he has form at. I hope he can do it in 2 weeks. I think we'd get armageddon but it would be a fun armageddon

[Bononi]

Originally Posted by Born Racer

My opinion Bononi is that it should be left open, and let's hope that it gets discussed more when the topic has some mileage again. It was a close battle at times last year, and given how highly Vettel is rated, Webber did not disgrace himself at all. There will be things to talk about with it this year.

If we can concentrate the debate into this thread, it should be good.

No probs then. The only warning is that any other thread about Vettel vs Webber will be merged to this one, and I hope this will not turn out to be a "USF1 thread" or sort of "JV's tirade" from part of both drivers fans.

[herowassenna]

I think Webber has spent too long in poor machinery and with team-mates that weren't as quick/Hungry as he was.
It would appear that whilst he can have his day of days each year, he won't be a consistent threat to Vettel.
I would rate Webber as good as Massa.
He is certainly better than Barrichello, DC and Fsichella, all of whom won races but when confronted by faster team-mates never really delivered the goods.
Barrichello, Silverstone 2003 was one of the best drives I've ever witnessed.

One thing, any rumour that Kimi will return with Red Bull next year, I think is a gross over estimation of the Finn's ability. I am certain Webber would outclass him easily, never mind Vettel

[dsg]

Originally Posted by Super Hans

It seemed to me that Webber simply made a Horlicks of his quali lap and was therefore doomed to spend the afternoon stuck in traffic.

Yep, assuming Horlicks = Pigs Dinner.

[Knowlesy]

Originally Posted by Super Hans

Horlicks

Stop this immediately. You are not James Allen.

[SSbaby]

The opinion of many seems to be that Webber is a 'choker'. That he is not so great under pressure or when expectations are high.

In case anybody asks, that also happens to be my humble opinion of Webber.

[nea]

Webber confuses me at times. He used to be awesome in a high pressure qualifying session. Look at what he did with that Jaaaaaaarrrgh in 2003. Where has that Webber gone?

I think Vettel has caught him out and he knows that he is their favourite son now, and it's just heaped the pressure on like he's never had before. Breaking his leg certainly won't have helped matters.

Vettel is the real deal though. I still think Webber could have been had he not spent years stuck in crap cars. His Minardi drives in 2002 were the drives of a future champion.

[Knowlesy]

Those old quali sessions weren't high pressure for him though as he was in a car expected to fail.

As soon as he hit the front he choked. He has lost nothing since F3000.

[jab]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

As soon as he hit the front he choked.

I don't agree. I think what last year proved to everyone (apart from his fans, who knew already) is that the reason he always fell back in races wasn't because he couldn't hack but because although it's possible to do a single flying lap in a rubbish car, it's impossible to sustain it over a race distance. Last year proved he does have race pace and that in the past it was obscured by having poor cars, unlike his one lap pace - essentially, he's not just incredibly quick over one lap as was presumed, but he's actually just incredibly quick in general

I don't buy the whole "quick over one lap" thing. It's nonsense. You're either quick or you're not

One thing I will admit, though, is he's not the best starter, but then neither was Michael

[Knowlesy]

No he is a solid racer. But I just think psychlogically he is well off the likes of his own teammate.

Whenever he put the Jag or Williams well up the grid, he'd more often than not have a paniccy moment in the race and almost always an awful getaway.

He has more chances up front with the Red Bull, which means he can grab the odd win at least. But he'll never be a consistent, major threat.

[jab]

I think that's fair comment

What makes Mark so attractive as a fan (I mean as a driver to support, not physically) is that he is flawed. I do like Alonso but I could never be a true fan of his, because he's too good. I like supporting the tragic hero, those that are flawed and doomed to failure because of their flaws, hence my preference of Webber and my retrospective preference of Damon and JPM (although I've always liked them - just now it's for different reasons)

[chavez169]

I know exactly what u mean there Jab thats one of the reasons im a fan of his, that and the fact that he manages to make me laugh in almost every interview. Its also the reason im a Marko Asmer fan! Watching motor racing sure can be emotionally draining at times.

[SSbaby]

In terms of 'overall' ability and talent, I would rate Webber with the likes of Barrichello. Is that a fair comparison? Both maligned drivers who seem to promise much but not quite capable of grabbing the 'bull by the horns', race after race, like the top tier drivers.