Jamie Whincup = GOAT

FAS33 · 28 Nov 2017, 04:55 (Ref:3783674)

The Michael Schumacher of F1
The Richard Petty of NASCAR
The Valentino Rossi of Moto GP

The best of all time. Better then Peter Brock, Skaife, DJ.
Nobody will beat his 7 WORLD titles.

rich07 · 28 Nov 2017, 05:05 (Ref:3783677)

Don't tell me-its school holidays again already?

FAS33 · 28 Nov 2017, 05:39 (Ref:3783684)

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Don't tell me-its school holidays again already?

kindergarten.

V8 Fireworks · 28 Nov 2017, 05:40 (Ref:3783685)

Whincup is pretty good. He tends to get overlooked by fans as he is rather boring. I honestly could not remember any of Whincup's titles, apart from the latest one, it's just a haze!

Trevor · 28 Nov 2017, 20:14 (Ref:3783842)

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Whincup is pretty good. He tends to get overlooked by fans as he is rather boring. I honestly could not remember any of Whincup's titles, apart from the latest one, it's just a haze!

Like Brock, it is pretty easy to look good when you have the best gear and the best support in the paddock - just sayin'

chavez · 28 Nov 2017, 09:15 (Ref:3783717)

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The Richard Petty of NASCAR

So the second best driver then?

fieldodreams79 · 29 Nov 2017, 01:44 (Ref:3783919)

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So the second best driver then?

Who's first then? Dale Earnhardt or Jimmie Johnson? All 3 were at prime from different eras with different rule sets, which I'd like to think that some applies to Oz drivers, too.

Always a good conversation, as to who's the greatest, but it never comes to a conclusive decision.

Mekola · 29 Nov 2017, 04:50 (Ref:3783938)

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Who's first then? Dale Earnhardt or Jimmie Johnson? All 3 were at prime from different eras with different rule sets, which I'd like to think that some applies to Oz drivers, too.

Always a good conversation, as to who's the greatest, but it never comes to a conclusive decision.

Juan Maria Traverso still lives... He was at Euro F2 in 1979 but had a lot (more than 15) titles in Argentine and Italy, in touring, rallying, and also formula racing.
Could win Turismo Carretera and TC2000 champs the same year, hardly that other driver could do the same...
With his locals, he's more popular and legendary than even Reutemann.

How appropiate that Mr Traverso played to voice for "Doc Hudson" in the Spanish neutral latino version of the movie...

one five five · 29 Nov 2017, 05:51 (Ref:3783943)

Numbers mean nothing really. Whincup's numbers can only be compared to other drivers at the top of their game now.

You can't match him with Lowndes at his best or Skaife, and you certainly can't compare his stats with Brock, Moffat or Geoghegan.

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Originally Posted by chavez

So the second best driver then?

Given the opening post referenced Rossi as well, I can only assume FAS33 does indeed mean Whincup is the second best

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Apologies if I'm not up to date with lingo but what does the GOAT acronym stand for?

Greatest Of All Time

E.B · 29 Nov 2017, 05:54 (Ref:3783944)

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Originally Posted by one five five

Greatest Of All Time

Thanks

FAS33 · 29 Nov 2017, 08:03 (Ref:3783956)

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Originally Posted by one five five

Numbers mean nothing really. Whincup's numbers can only be compared to other drivers at the top of their game now.

You can't match him with Lowndes at his best or Skaife, and you certainly can't compare his stats with Brock, Moffat or Geoghegan.

Given the opening post referenced Rossi as well, I can only assume FAS33 does indeed mean Whincup is the second best

Greatest Of All Time

Numbers mean nothing.... Yet you mention drivers specifically for their driving record.

Skaife = total championships and Bathurst victories
Brock = total championships and Bathurst victories
Moffat = total championships and Bathurst victories
Lowndes = total championships and Bathurst victories
Ian Geoghegan = total championships

Your argument all comes down to Numbers lol

Beats all those drivers you mentioned in race wins, poles and Championships. Destroyed Lowndes multiple times.

one five five · 29 Nov 2017, 11:30 (Ref:3784005)

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Numbers mean nothing.... Yet you mention drivers specifically for their driving record.

Skaife = total championships and Bathurst victories
Brock = total championships and Bathurst victories
Moffat = total championships and Bathurst victories
Lowndes = total championships and Bathurst victories
Ian Geoghegan = total championships

Your argument all comes down to Numbers lol

Beats all those drivers you mentioned in race wins, poles and Championships. Destroyed Lowndes multiple times.

No , I was saying you can't compare Whincup to Lowndes, Skaife, Moffat, Brock or Geoghegan because they raced in different eras. You can't compare Lowndes to Moffat, Skaife to Geoghegan, Whincup to Richards or whoever.
The racing is completely different in all of those era's, no stats can be relevant to eachother to make a reasonable comparison.

It's like saying Hamilton is better than Clark, based on what?

I'm still keen to hear what makes you think Rossi is the GOAT of Motorcycle Grand Prix racing?

peckstar · 29 Nov 2017, 11:46 (Ref:3784008)

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No , I was saying you can't compare Whincup to Lowndes, Skaife, Moffat, Brock or Geoghegan because they raced in different eras. You can't compare Lowndes to Moffat, Skaife to Geoghegan, Whincup to Richards or whoever.
The racing is completely different in all of those era's, no stats can be relevant to eachother to make a reasonable comparison.

struggling to make ay sense of your argument

Its very easy to compare. 7 ATCC is greater than 1 ATCC (or 2,3,4,5). however at 6 maybe some other factors can come into play

I really struggle to see how anyone can deny that

FAS33 · 29 Nov 2017, 21:32 (Ref:3784157)

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I'm still keen to hear what makes you think Rossi is the GOAT of Motorcycle Grand Prix racing?

you ask this question because you think someone else is the GOAT. making it possible someone CAN be the best ever. We think alike.

**GTRMagic** · 28 Nov 2017, 10:58 (Ref:3783741)

Based on the numbers, the championships won, the races won, the pole positions, Greatest Of All Time is the perfect description for Mr Whincup.

Two championship wins in a Ford.
Five championship wins in a Holden.

Four championship wins as Team Vodafone.
Three championship wins as Red Bull.

In all years bar one able to smoke his teammate(s) in the same gear.

Consistent. Reliable. Able to lift his level.

And he still has a year to go on his current contract to go get more results.

Greatest Of All Time.

Yep.

Graz · 28 Nov 2017, 13:34 (Ref:3783762)

It helps he's in the best resourced team but he is very good, one of the best.

coppice · 28 Nov 2017, 18:54 (Ref:3783825)

I always think that referring to anything or anyone as best of ALL TIME absurd - planet has been around 4 billion years , people for 200,000 and ATC since ,oh , 1960....

Compromised · 28 Nov 2017, 19:23 (Ref:3783831)

Yeah I'd be a lot happier to throw out the GOAT tag if he'd won a championship, or even a race, with another team

V8 Fireworks · 28 Nov 2017, 19:48 (Ref:3783835)

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Yeah I'd be a lot happier to throw out the GOAT tag if he'd won a championship, or even a race, with another team

Whincup might be good, but could he win a title in a Walkinshaw sled... It's hard to say...

V8 Fireworks · 28 Nov 2017, 19:47 (Ref:3783833)

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I always think that referring to anything or anyone as best of ALL TIME absurd - planet has been around 4 billion years , people for 200,000 and ATC since ,oh , 1960....

Of course. But Maya and Sumerians and Middle Kingdom (Egypt) had similar pomp and circumstance. Not much left now!

Even the pyramids have been raided of their capping that originally made them nice and smooth, even so jagged pyramids showing the underlying block construction are still more impressive than the eroded mud structures of Sumerians...

No wonder emperors like building monuments to their magnificence, it's roughly the only way they can hope to be remembered post-civilisation!

peckstar · 28 Nov 2017, 21:22 (Ref:3783857)

Whincup opens up on ‘scary’ personal sacrifices

Gave up love and alcohol for this championship

I already thought he was the Goat. Still would be great to see him at another team

fieldodreams79 · 29 Nov 2017, 01:46 (Ref:3783920)

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Whincup opens up on ‘scary’ personal sacrifices

Gave up love and alcohol for this championship

Good read.

Razzzor · 29 Nov 2017, 04:19 (Ref:3783933)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

Whincup opens up on ‘scary’ personal sacrifices

Gave up love and alcohol for this championship

I already thought he was the Goat. Still would be great to see him at another team

Little bit sad really isn't it. Walks away from his bride to focus on getting a 7th title. And alcohol... does JW have a bit of a weakness to alcohol?

I wonder if he'll still feel the same way regarding next years title. Plenty of drivers got that first title off their back and didn't work so hard after that (enjoyed life more) because they'd achieved want they wanted. Nico Rosberg.

I wonder if SVG beating him last year is what motivated him so much to get that 2017 title.

**GTRMagic** · 29 Nov 2017, 06:11 (Ref:3783946)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

Whincup opens up on ‘scary’ personal sacrifices

Gave up love and alcohol for this championship

I already thought he was the Goat. Still would be great to see him at another team

The ex-Fiancee Returns Serve

peckstar · 29 Nov 2017, 06:17 (Ref:3783948)

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The ex-Fiancee Returns Serve

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The trophy will keep him warm.”

ouch

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