24 hours of Dubai 2011 - Page 4

Acid09 · 15 Jan 2011, 22:54 (Ref:2816222)

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Originally Posted by nasdriv87

where are the porsches ????

Down the order...this is the second 24h race within 12 months with no Porsche on the podium (the other being the Nürburgring 24h).

That is partly due to the poor reliability of the GT3-R but also because there has been somewhat of a shift in power in GT racing. The times when Porsche was in complete control of the action with an occasional Ferrari victory in between are over for now...

Other manufacturers have stepped up their game, especially BMW. This is the second 24h win within 12 months, it would have been a third without the terrible luck at Spa. And they´ve snatched up the ALMS Championship as well..

And with Mercedes coming in as well, times surely aren't getting any easier for Porsche in the forseeable future, will be interesting to see how much difference the 2011 update for the GT3-RSR makes. But they really have to work on those GT3-Rs, that car's reliability record in 24h races is almost as poor as the R8's.

NightStalk3r · 15 Jan 2011, 22:59 (Ref:2816224)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

it would have been a third without the terrible luck at Spa.

It would have been there first if it wasn't for Porsche's bad luck at the N24, we can play this what could have been game all day...

Acid09 · 15 Jan 2011, 23:08 (Ref:2816230)

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Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

It would have been there first if it wasn't for Porsche's bad luck at the N24, we can play this what could have been game all day...

Still, it dosen't change the fact that Porsche is not really dominant anymore.

Maybe the rear-engine concept is finally at its limit and they really need to ditch the 911 as racing platform.

**GTRMagic** · 16 Jan 2011, 01:04 (Ref:2816254)

Some really good footage of the race over on YouTube... garage action anyway

NightStalk3r · 16 Jan 2011, 13:32 (Ref:2816362)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

Maybe the rear-engine concept is finally at its limit and they really need to ditch the 911 as racing platform.

Humm not really, try again.

It didnt help that all the GT3 R's had to carry 50kg more ballast than everyone else.

Acid09 · 16 Jan 2011, 14:06 (Ref:2816376)

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Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

It didnt help that all the GT3 R's had to carry 50kg more ballast than everyone else.

And that explains the reliability issues how exactly? The car's speed is not the problem but the exhaust issues suggest that Porsche has pushed the rear-engine concept too far.

NightStalk3r · 16 Jan 2011, 14:59 (Ref:2816388)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

The car's speed is not the problem but the exhaust issues suggest that Porsche has pushed the rear-engine concept too far.

By that logic Peugeot engine trouble at le mans suggest they have pushed the diesel concept too far.

The exhaust design can easily be changed to fix the issue, and will be.

Nick6 · 16 Jan 2011, 15:47 (Ref:2816395)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

Still, it dosen't change the fact that Porsche is not really dominant anymore.

Maybe the rear-engine concept is finally at its limit and they really need to ditch the 911 as racing platform.

Rear engine cars have less drive train loss compared to front engine cars and are able to put more weight on the drive wheels.

arakis · 16 Jan 2011, 17:45 (Ref:2816433)

the reliability isues have nothing to do with the rear concept, 911-or similar models have raced with 200hp more then the gt3 r and dominated varius championships,

the reliability isues are however an indication that porsche as a factory is being pushed to increase performance more then ever before, and reliability is the first to give in performance oriented quickend development, cars are being raced before proper testing and desings are ironed out on the racetracks,
the realiability issus will be addresd soon enough, but I agree that gone are the days of porsche domination, and porsche foolproof race cars!

10 years ago it was understood that all porsche gt cars finish any race no mater how hard they are driven, now it is not unheardoff for all porshes runing for a victory to have problems, hindering them to win! Don't get me wrong compared to th competition in the varius classes porsche is still considered reliable, but compared to their own image and history of unbreakability....

Speed-King · 16 Jan 2011, 17:49 (Ref:2816437)

Don't forget that GT3-cars aren't really geared towards endurance racing as their usual format is the 2x1hour sprints - even though that seems about to change with British GT switching to a more endurance oriented format as well as Belcar and of course the new Blancpain series...

andy_b · 17 Jan 2011, 19:30 (Ref:2816967)

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Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

Humm not really, try again.

It didnt help that all the GT3 R's had to carry 50kg more ballast than everyone else.

leading Z4 had to carry more than that.

NightStalk3r · 17 Jan 2011, 19:33 (Ref:2816970)

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Originally Posted by andy_b

leading Z4 had to carry more than that.

So did the #18 GT3 R they had 100kg(50KG all GT3 R's had to carry and 50KG for qualifying under the 2:05 limit)

andy_b · 17 Jan 2011, 19:39 (Ref:2816977)

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Originally Posted by Andy77

Hi Andy , thanks for your effort

Would it be possible to upload these photos to another gallery for avid non-facebook users though ?

sorry, I was working there for NeedforSpeed for their facebook page. if you goto there page, more images available now. Sorry about that

Andy77 · 17 Jan 2011, 19:44 (Ref:2816979)

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Originally Posted by andy_b

sorry, I was working there for NeedforSpeed for their facebook page. if you goto there page, more images available now. Sorry about that

It is ok Andy. No need to excuse yourself. I have seen quite some pictures by now

... Now I only should make sure that i dont miss the release of the review dvd

rich07 · 18 Jan 2011, 02:02 (Ref:2817144)

Fantastic win by Schubert-well done to them! Very happy to see them win, I've been following the teams fortunes over at Speedhunters, great coverage there, some wonderful photography during the night.

andy_b · 18 Jan 2011, 08:35 (Ref:2817218)

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Originally Posted by rich07

Fantastic win by Schubert-well done to them! Very happy to see them win, I've been following the teams fortunes over at Speedhunters, great coverage there, some wonderful photography during the night.

Thanks, we try our best

NightStalk3r · 19 Jan 2011, 17:05 (Ref:2817854)

26 Minutes riding onboard with Sean Edwards in the Tolimit Arabia GT3 R fighting back from 16th during the night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM0BHgipltA

airbusA346 · 19 Jan 2011, 20:42 (Ref:2817977)

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Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

26 Minutes riding onboard with Sean Edwards in the Tolimit Arabia GT3 R fighting back from 16th during the night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM0BHgipltA

Great Video.

Do you know if Sean has anymore videos from the Tolimit GT3 R?

Tom.

Sean Edwards · 21 Jan 2011, 16:56 (Ref:2818886)

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Originally Posted by airbusA346

Great Video.

Do you know if Sean has anymore videos from the Tolimit GT3 R?

Tom.

Yes I have most of the race

I will upload a day stint.

courageous · 29 Jan 2011, 20:18 (Ref:2822405)

wrong thread!

Deleted · 3 Aug 2011, 11:49 (Ref:2935342)

Well this has nothing to do with '11 race but in rather surprising turn of events, Radio Le Mans will cover the entire race and build-up next year!
Another 24 Hours added to 2012

It's a decent little start to new season and RLM coverage is always superb no matter the event, but if I had a choice I'd rather have Daytona or Spa 24 (or even Bathurst 12h) covered...

broadrun96 · 6 Aug 2011, 01:25 (Ref:2936345)

But having RLM cover the race it could make push more manufacturers to consider endurance racing. I know we have a good portion of the performance car world involved but any publicity involving a well known broadcast crew has to be a good thing to take to budget meetings. Plus it is racing that can break up the long winter offseason, was kind of painful to look forward to Daytona to end the dark winter. Not that I hate Grand Am but the track can be painfully boring sometimes.

Acid09 · 6 Aug 2011, 02:10 (Ref:2936352)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

It's a decent little start to new season and RLM coverage is always superb no matter the event, but if I had a choice I'd rather have Daytona or Spa 24 (or even Bathurst 12h) covered...

Bathurst yes, Daytona maybe, Spa no... Dubai has become the much better event.

FordCosworthPanoz · 6 Aug 2011, 02:32 (Ref:2936354)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

Bathurst yes, Daytona maybe, Spa no... Dubai has become the much better event.

Not a fan of the circuit but still, I have to agree that Dubai has become a better race than Spa. You get a much better variety and different classes of cars. Its become like the Nurburgring with GT and saloon cars as apposed to just generic GT3 and GT4 cars you find at Spa now. If Bathurst can just get some more GT cars in 2012 then it will also overtake past the 24h Spa on my long list of favourite endurance races.

They cant really do Daytona since MoRoN Radio has official broadcasting rights for English Language radio coverage of Grand Am events. Its just too bad that MRN is stuffed with ads, their commentators tend to ramble on about a pile of pants, and they dont even bother to stay up through the night.

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