IMSA DPi Discussion - Page 50

Ephaeton · 17 Sep 2016, 16:54 (Ref:3673091)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

You really think that the OEM's are not aware of the requirements or that they do not have to submit renders for approval?

L.P.

I think it's not unlikely that even though the OEMs were made aware of the requirements, that these requirements themselves are relatively vague.

HORNDAWG · 17 Sep 2016, 17:00 (Ref:3673095)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Did you read my previous post about the series getting to review and approve the plans?

I read it, and I also have read all the disparaging tidbits that are surrounding it.

L.P.

MoMedic9019 · 17 Sep 2016, 17:08 (Ref:3673098)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Exactly what I was trying to say, it is up to the black box that is "series management".

Right, and at what point does the vagueness of the requirements become the issue?

TF110 · 17 Sep 2016, 19:15 (Ref:3673155)

I said headlights because that area is one of the 'free' zones the dpi's can change. That may qualify as a significant change. I could see this front end being put on a Ligier be called manufacturer bodywork-

FormulaFox · 17 Sep 2016, 19:19 (Ref:3673161)

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Originally Posted by TF110

I said headlights because that area is one of the 'free' zones the dpi's can change.

As I understand things, they have to make unique bodywork in at least TWO of the areas specified.

TF110 · 17 Sep 2016, 19:23 (Ref:3673163)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

As I understand things, they have to make unique bodywork in at least TWO of the areas specified.

The Nissan front end would work then. The nose area and the front wheel arches/headlights are two separate places.

HORNDAWG · 17 Sep 2016, 19:32 (Ref:3673165)

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Originally Posted by TF110

I said headlights because that area is one of the 'free' zones the dpi's can change. That may qualify as a significant change. I could see this front end being put on a Ligier be called manufacturer bodywork-

I would also agree that this front end in total would represent stylized OEM body work vs the constructor's original.

L.P.

FormulaFox · 17 Sep 2016, 20:34 (Ref:3673181)

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Originally Posted by TF110

The Nissan front end would work then. The nose area and the front wheel arches/headlights are two separate places.

They would have to be specifically designed for the chassis, however, and without Nissan's assistance that could be an issue for them.

MoMedic9019 · 17 Sep 2016, 21:58 (Ref:3673206)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

As I understand things, they have to make unique bodywork in at least TWO of the areas specified.

And that's the question. Unique bodywork, technically, could be a simple change... When compared with the original OEM Ligier, or whoever else, it's "unique"

This is a potentially large loophole for those who are happy with their aero kit.

TF110 · 17 Sep 2016, 23:28 (Ref:3673269)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

They would have to be specifically designed for the chassis, however, and without Nissan's assistance that could be an issue for them.

I know that. I just put up that pic as an illustration to show a manufacturer-look.

Coach Ep · 18 Sep 2016, 01:29 (Ref:3673366)

Who knows Patron paid the mnf.fee on behave of Nissan and also paid Ligier to come up with 'Nissan' styled bodywork???

Ephaeton · 18 Sep 2016, 01:30 (Ref:3673371)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Who knows Patron paid the mnf.fee on behave of Nissan and also paid Ligier to come up with 'Nissan' styled bodywork???

That would be a sizable investment - if so, probably with freed up money for a halted WEC campaign.

Bcarr6 · 18 Sep 2016, 09:41 (Ref:3673610)

Do we actually know Nissan is definitely NOT involved beyond the engine?

So far they've pretty much just said no comment.

Maybe they pay the fee, ESM and Ligier design Nissan styled bodywork.... With permission and maybe a little assistance from Nissan.

A strong Nissan performance in IMSA would certainly help in the US after the massive Super Bowl ad followed by failed P1...

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FormulaFox · 18 Sep 2016, 09:55 (Ref:3673614)

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Originally Posted by Bcarr6

Do we actually know Nissan is definitely NOT involved beyond the engine?

So far they've pretty much just said no comment.

The fact that nobody has heard anything on this until the announcement tells me Nissan is not involved beyond giving them permission to use their equipment - it's nigh on impossible to keep plans for factory-backed programs secret.

Speed-King · 18 Sep 2016, 10:29 (Ref:3673625)

I still think they are getting a free-pass, based on the promise of increased involvement in 2018.

Lanky Turtle · 18 Sep 2016, 11:44 (Ref:3673648)

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Originally Posted by Bcarr6

Do we actually know Nissan is definitely NOT involved beyond the engine?

So far they've pretty much just said no comment.

Maybe they pay the fee, ESM and Ligier design Nissan styled bodywork.... With permission and maybe a little assistance from Nissan.

A strong Nissan performance in IMSA would certainly help in the US after the massive Super Bowl ad followed by failed P1...

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It would also open the door for teams who wish to run a GTR in GTD, so maybe not a bad move on Nissan's part.

Starfish Primer · 18 Sep 2016, 12:52 (Ref:3673661)

Or even a GTLM with the GTR GT3 + Waivers.

MoMedic9019 · 18 Sep 2016, 16:05 (Ref:3673726)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

The fact that nobody has heard anything on this until the announcement tells me Nissan is not involved beyond giving them permission to use their equipment - it's nigh on impossible to keep plans for factory-backed programs secret.

Ehhh.... I think there are people that know. A specific journalist in general told me to "not worry about it" in quite cheeky fashion...

Who knows, but, I think there is more to the story.

Makaze · 18 Sep 2016, 16:27 (Ref:3673733)

With every second now it looks like the Ganassi to Honda move is true.

That might be why ESM is not with HPD in 2017.

Ganassi running Acura/HPD DPi program in 2018?

carbsmith · 18 Sep 2016, 17:46 (Ref:3673746)

Not a chance.

Bcarr6 · 18 Sep 2016, 17:48 (Ref:3673747)

Who was Penske rumoured to be in conversation with?

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broadrun96 · 18 Sep 2016, 18:13 (Ref:3673750)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Ehhh.... I think there are people that know. A specific journalist in general told me to "not worry about it" in quite cheeky fashion...

Who knows, but, I think there is more to the story.

Feels like it's an after the season announcement with the Nissan guy saying nothing to announce now other than the Australian program. Wouldn't be surprised it they (Nissan) are one of the programs IMSA has said is working but probably not ready for Daytona/Sebring. What IMSA lets them do with the engine until is to be seen but if they are conscientiously working toward a DPi package I can see some leeway granted.

TF110 · 18 Sep 2016, 19:31 (Ref:3673768)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

Feels like it's an after the season announcement with the Nissan guy saying nothing to announce now other than the Australian program. Wouldn't be surprised it they (Nissan) are one of the programs IMSA has said is working but probably not ready for Daytona/Sebring. What IMSA lets them do with the engine until is to be seen but if they are conscientiously working toward a DPi package I can see some leeway granted.

That's how I see it. No announcement, yet. But it can happen. It may not be ready yet. Wasn't Ligier talking about going to P1 but wanted a manufacturer involved?

FormulaFox · 18 Sep 2016, 19:32 (Ref:3673769)

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Originally Posted by Bcarr6

Who was Penske rumoured to be in conversation with?

Everybody.

**joeb** · 19 Sep 2016, 02:52 (Ref:3673927)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

The fact that nobody has heard anything on this until the announcement tells me Nissan is not involved beyond giving them permission to use their equipment - it's nigh on impossible to keep plans for factory-backed programs secret.

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

I still think they are getting a free-pass, based on the promise of increased involvement in 2018.

I agree with SK. I also think no word from Nissan almost makes it more likely. I mean we haven't even had GM or Mazda confirm the existence of their DP in any real sense yet. So why would Nissan who may be a few months (or a year) behind announce anything?

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