Push to Pass in V8s

[spectator22]

MN today says V8SA is seriously looking at a version of "Push to Pass" for V8s to further spice up the racing. Not a bad idea I think,, along with a decent points system it should increase the genuine passing opportunities at the front. How would they do it for V8s? Rev limit increase would seem most logical.

[SRabbit]

they just don't get it do they......

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by spectator22

How would they do it for V8s? Rev limit increase would seem most logical.

just as MNews says, the revs can be increased by X amount for a period of Y per race, with the driver being able to pick when

[Chatters]

I think its a brilliant idea... It may have some teething problems (don't know what though) and that, along with a decent points system would be brilliant.

[Pro Racer]

Originally Posted by Chatters

I think its a brilliant idea... It may have some teething problems (don't know what though) and that, along with a decent points system would be brilliant.

couldn't agree more.

[SRabbit]

The category doesn't need gimmicks like this to make it interesting - the Skaife's and Lowndes's of this world only need half a reason to race hard - put decent points in play and watch it unfold - that's it, nothing more and nothing less.

I don't like it.

[RotorFan]

Originally Posted by SRabbit

The category doesn't need gimmicks like this to make it interesting - the Skaife's and Lowndes's of this world only need half a reason to race hard - put decent points in play and watch it unfold - that's it, nothing more and nothing less.

I don't like it.

Absolutely got it in one.

Maybe they're just putting out feelers to get an idea of what the fans think. I hope.

Please, before you start saying its a good idea have a look at the other series that implement it. Guess what happens when an overtaking driver presses the button? The other driver presses it. Wow thats exciting. Think it through. The only thing more contrived is the "lucky dog".

[pete55]

Will it work though? In the only cases i know of where it is implemented that it works well is with turbo charged engines. In that case it is increased boost that allows the overtaking. How well it will work just on increased revs is not known, especially in big heavy cars and on most of the tracks they run on.

[Chatters]

Like I said it would have teething problems... Don't the Champ Cars get 50 extra horsepower for a total of 60 seconds?

[mayhem]

SRabbit is spot on. The only ideas worth exploring out of Champ Cars is having two different tyre compounds IMO and one race per round instead of three short races with contrived pitstops and zero pit strategy.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by RotorFan

The only thing more contrived is the "lucky dog".

Or reverse grids.

[Robert Ryan]

Please, before you start saying its a good idea have a look at the other series that implement it.

It works in CCWS.

The only thing more contrived is the "lucky dog".

Not really..the "Lucky Dog" is used to adjust the unfair extra laps down you can go in an oval race, if you have to pit under green.

[Chatters]

While I do like the idea of push to pass in V8's, I hate how V8SA can never implement their own strategies in V8 Supercars to make it more exciting. The only real idea they've had is to introduce CPSs, which was great, sure, but nowadays aren't they getting just a little annoying?

I think to make V8 Supercars truly successful, all the main members of V8SA need to all sit down and discuss ideas instead of just watching other sports and saying 'Hey lets copy their idea.'

[DAVID PATERSON]

I can't stand this sort of contrived entertainment.

Technically, how will it work, the cars aren't turbo charged, so we can't just wind up the boost ala CCWS. The suggestion of increasing the rev limit could be a slippery slope. How hard would it be to "modify" your ECU so that you secretly got a longer high rev period than the rules allow.

Further, if the increased revs were beyond what they are allowed now, expect to see plenty of expensive external combustion engines until they spend more money getting them to handle the higher revs. If the rev limit was changed to less than 7,500 and the temporary boosted limit was 7,500, then they'll probably spend more money developing new cam profiles etc.

Seems like a very expensive way to boost "the show".

[pete55]

Maybe the reduced aero will end up being the best and most economical idea.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by pete55

Maybe the reduced aero will end up being the best and most economical idea.

For once I agree with you!!!

I'd LOVE to see all the fancy aero gone & see the cars slipping & sliding like the good old days. It would really sort the men from the boys!! (I've been watching an old bathurt 1987 tape, watching a very young Seto sliding all over the shop in a no aeroed Nissan)

With regards to the "Push to Pass", I'm not totally against the idea. But at the same time, I'm not sure how sussusfully it would be?? Can only try I guess.

[racer69]

We just get rid of one load of rubbish (reverse grids) and they think about introducing some more contrived garbage (push to pass buttons)

I thought overtaking was supposed to be a skill!

[mountainstar]

I like push to pass in champcar. It certainly made for an interesting race last sunday.

I think it might be a good idea in V8's for all the same reasons it works in champcar.

[racer69]

What is exciting though about one driver overtaking another because they push a button which gives them more horsepower, where is the skill in that?

Isn't overtaking a skill involving the likes of outbraking another driver, getting a better run onto a straight, getting a tow etc.....any grandmother could push a button to overtake someone.

Whether it's Formula Palmer Audi, ChampCar World Series or V8Supercars, the 'push to pass button' is laughable in my opinion.

[Chatters]

It needs some more thought doesn't it...

[RotorFan]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

For once I agree with you!!!

I'd LOVE to see all the fancy aero gone & see the cars slipping & sliding like the good old days. It would really sort the men from the boys!! (I've been watching an old bathurt 1987 tape, watching a very young Seto sliding all over the shop in a no aeroed Nissan)

With regards to the "Push to Pass", I'm not totally against the idea. But at the same time, I'm not sure how sussusfully it would be?? Can only try I guess.

You can't have a 1500 kg car doing 300 through the Chase without any aero.

[RotorFan]

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

It works in CCWS.

Not really..the "Lucky Dog" is used to adjust the unfair extra laps down you can go in an oval race, if you have to pit under green.

Can you explain whats unfair about that?

And Push to Pass does not "work" anywhere. "Skill to Pass" is the only way that works.

[Chatters]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

(I've been watching an old bathurt 1987 tape, watching a very young Seto sliding all over the shop in a no aeroed Nissan)

That would be because he was on slick tyres on a wet track in a shockingly bad car.

[bazil]

Originally Posted by pete55

Maybe the reduced aero will end up being the best and most economical idea.

[pete55]

Originally Posted by Chatters

That would be because he was on slick tyres on a wet track in a shockingly bad car.

He was at one stage, correct. But the cars in those days moved around a lot more than they do now. The Skylines and Sierras heaps of power then and were using narrower tyres than the V8 Supercars making them difficult to drive. If you can get hold of a video Chatters you should watch Seton and Brock across the top of the mountain.