[Rumours] 2016 Driver Silly Season & Beyond

[Neppatsrev Xam]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Verstappen & Kyvat To Swap Seats.. Immediately!!

also here

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/re...ish-gp-733475/

[Mike Harte]

If you read the Motorsport article you will appreciate that there is a lot of speculation being made, and there has been no official announcements from Red Bull. It might be wise to wait for Brackley to make a statement before anyone gets too excited, because it might all come to nothing. It could also be someone from the Verstappen camp stirring things up a bit - just saying!

[JABWOA]

Adding fuel is the report of MV getting an RB seat fitting before Spain. Most likely so he can test the RB which is a good thing. But will be interesting if the swap occurs for the races. Just another interteam spat to spice things up now that Merc is bubbling along nicely (go Nico, bag as many points as you can before LH finds his feet - do a Button 09 but without the illegal car!)

[GTRMagic]

Confirmed

[steve_r]

This seems a bit of a knee jerk reaction. These drivers are so young. Kvyatt had a reasonable season last year. I wonder if that is it for him in f1, and that he will end up in Formula E next year like pretty much everyone else who has ever driven for Torro Rosso?

If Red Bull see Verstappen as the future, then I guess this makes sense. Cut throat world though.

[Greem]

Originally Posted by steve_r

Kvyatt had a reasonable season last year

...and a reasonable race in China.

Having read several articles about this today it does seem more about Verstappen than Kvyat, but it definitely shows how mercenary Markko is in his dealings with drivers.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by Greem

...and a reasonable race in China.

Having read several articles about this today it does seem more about Verstappen than Kvyat, but it definitely shows how mercenary Markko is in his dealings with drivers.

This would seem to be the Red Bull way of dealing with matters; they are absolutely ruthless. Recently Dietrich Mateschitz gave an undertaking to all the staff at the TV broadcaster that he owns that their jobs were safe. However, because the staff have been attempting to gain union representation, he has just announced that he is closing the broadcaster next month with all 240 of the staff losing their employment.

[bella]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

This would seem to be the Red Bull way of dealing with matters; they are absolutely ruthless. Recently Dietrich Mateschitz gave an undertaking to all the staff at the TV broadcaster that he owns that their jobs were safe. However, because the staff have been attempting to gain union representation, he has just announced that he is closing the broadcaster next month with all 240 of the staff losing their employment.

he actually reversed that decision later yesterday.

it smells of one of two possibilities to me.

1. what did ferrari offer verstappen that made red bull jump immediately?
or
2. mateschitz was involved.

or both

[Tja]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

This would seem to be the Red Bull way of dealing with matters; they are absolutely ruthless. Recently Dietrich Mateschitz gave an undertaking to all the staff at the TV broadcaster that he owns that their jobs were safe. However, because the staff have been attempting to gain union representation, he has just announced that he is closing the broadcaster next month with all 240 of the staff losing their employment.

And completely changed his mind the next day after talks with the unions when they assured him, that the representation was off the table.
I never liked RB and the way they treat their staff. This and the way they treated Kvyat just remebered me why...

[bella]

i think the way drivers have to look at red bull from junior level upwards is that they afford you opportunities that you wouldn't have had otherwise/your dad would have had to pay for. if they drop you, they drop you. their expectations of your results are based on what red bull want, not what suits the drivers development or the team circumstances at the time.

[Neppatsrev Xam]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

This would seem to be the Red Bull way of dealing with matters; they are absolutely ruthless. Recently Dietrich Mateschitz gave an undertaking to all the staff at the TV broadcaster that he owns that their jobs were safe. However, because the staff have been attempting to gain union representation, he has just announced that he is closing the broadcaster next month with all 240 of the staff losing their employment.

not true

http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2016/...o-stay-on-air/

[marcel82]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

This would seem to be the Red Bull way of dealing with matters; they are absolutely ruthless. Recently Dietrich Mateschitz gave an undertaking to all the staff at the TV broadcaster that he owns that their jobs were safe. However, because the staff have been attempting to gain union representation, he has just announced that he is closing the broadcaster next month with all 240 of the staff losing their employment.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/124109

this story claims the exact opposite?

[chillibowl]

you are only as strong as your last result.

imo, the ruthlessness of the RB driver ladder is about the only sporting thing happening in F1 right now.

[gert]

Concerning the TV station, he first decided to close it, and the next day decided not to close it after all -- after he got assurances that he got his way (no union representatives etc...)

I certainly wouldn't be happy if my boss used the same methods to enforce his will.

Originally Posted by bella

i think the way drivers have to look at red bull from junior level upwards is that they afford you opportunities that you wouldn't have had otherwise/your dad would have had to pay for.

That's also true. There are a lot of drivers who have been dropped, some for strange or unknown reasons.
Still, some made a decent career afterwards and should still be grateful for the chance they were given.

Would Hartley have been WEC champions without Red Bull? or Buemi?
Would people like Jani, Wickens, da Costa, even Aleshin (Renault FR3.5 and F2) be where they are now without Red Bull?

[fergus_r]

Originally Posted by Tja

And completely changed his mind the next day after talks with the unions when they assured him, that the representation was off the table.
I never liked RB and the way they treat their staff. This and the way they treated Kvyat just remebered me why...

I thought he actually changed his mind on the same day

[bella]

Originally Posted by gert

That's also true. There are a lot of drivers who have been dropped, some for strange or unknown reasons.
Still, some made a decent career afterwards and should still be grateful for the chance they were given.

Would Hartley have been WEC champions without Red Bull? or Buemi?
Would people like Jani, Wickens, da Costa, even Aleshin (Renault FR3.5 and F2) be where they are now without Red Bull?

well exactly. no matter how much of your own budget you had to bring, you almost always come out in a better position than you went in especially if you're dropped from a great height, as it were. it definitely opens doors if nothing else. da costa is a great example, so too is hartley.

[S griffin]

Button himself has said what he thought on Twitter about this. Kinda agree with him too, even if it gives the confident Max a chance

[Hawkwood]

Originally Posted by bella

it smells of one of two possibilities to me.

1. what did ferrari offer verstappen that made red bull jump immediately?
or
2. mateschitz was involved.

or both

You've hit the nail on the head.
I think it's Number 1 all over, no need for a second possibility.
Someone saw Jos the Boss talking to Ferrari or Mercedes, and they s**t themselves.

[djinvicta]

Obviously the best pint Jos ever had in public view..

[Adam43]

Is he allowed to have a pint?

[uncivilsum]

It seems that there is/was alot of unrest at Toro Rosso, it seems to have started in singapore last year but it just got alot worse in the last four races.

Like Olav Mol puts it, Kvyat didn't have to leave Red Bull Racing, Verstappen had to leave Toro Rosso.

[Trev Campbell]

Hmmmm This seems a bit familiar. Will we see another Aussie driver coping the shaft, due to a young talented drivers hissy fits ?????

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Trev Campbell

Hmmmm This seems a bit familiar. Will we see another Aussie driver coping the shaft, due to a young talented drivers hissy fits ?????

And perhaps finish the season in a position lower than contractually obligated to stay at RBR.. to end up in a Ferrari..

[uncivilsum]

Originally Posted by Trev Campbell

Hmmmm This seems a bit familiar. Will we see another Aussie driver coping the shaft, due to a young talented drivers hissy fits ?????

I get what you're saying and it might be true, but this situation at Toro Rosso might have been a purely Sainz-Verstappen thing, because they were both fighting for a RBR seat.

Things could be completly different at Red Bull Racing, with Verstappen focusing on getting results and not trying to wow the management.

Besides the way things were going, it looked more that Sainz was getting frustrated with not being given the same credit as Verstappen.

[Casper]

I don't often agree with Joe Saward due to trying to run his own agendas instead of just reporting the facts but his observation of Verstappen being moved to RB as a tactic to control the driver's market would seem to be a good point.

Verstappen to Marko: Either I go to RB or I go to another team

Marko to Verstappen: How much do you want?