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20 Sep 2011, 18:06 (Ref:2958667) | #51 | ||
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I was going to raise that point too, I'm pretty sure he wasn't the first mixed race driver either, not that I think it matters these days.
Surely Emerson Fittipaldi (Polish mother, Brazillian father), Mario Andretti (Italian/Yugoslav but officially an American), technically Jody Schecter and a few others should be counted as mixed race too? Unfortunately, this seems to be a colour of the skin issue with Hamilton so some some people see him as more 'mixed race' (for lack of a better word) than some of the above examples. The truth is that the term 'mixed race' is far deeper than the colour of one's skin. Last edited by beau1; 20 Sep 2011 at 18:13. |
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Felipe Massa is grandson of italians, just like myself. Rubens Barrichello is grandson of italians also. Most brazilians have european ancestry. |
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I wasn't claiming Brazilian was a race (neither is Polish for that matter, I was just outlining the difference in family background) but is is part of the Hispanic culture as you well know. On the one side he was certainly influenced from the Iberian coast and on the other by Eastern European practices, quite possibly Judaism but thats just a guess. In any case, he was almost certainly mixed race as much as Lewis Hamilton is. |
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The only way that Senna would be a person of mixed race would be if one of his ancestors was a Native American. From what has been posted all of his ancestors would seem to be Caucasian regardless of which country they were from. Mixing Eastern European and Iberian would be mixing cultures and not races.
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And, yeah, all brazilians are mixed, there are no "pure" brazilians as Brazil is a country essencially made by immigrants. |
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I can see why people wish to feel proud of a certain race or feel as if they belong to it as part of the identity but I do not understand the idea that some races may or not be better than others. Brazil is not a lone example, the same can quite easily be said for the Americans, Canadians and in particular the Australians. Even here in the U.K there is certainly still underlying differences between the Welsh, Irish and Scotish due to Celtic ancestry and the English with their Anglo-Saxon heritage. Although thankfully, most of the time its good humoured banter but I think there are certainly deep diferences between the two. My point is more of one of, does it really matter? I almost find the fact that people celebrate the fact that Hamiton as 'the first Mixed Race driver' slightly wrong (whether he is/was or not). Yeah, its brilliant that we now live in a diverse world that (mostly) tolerates other cultures but at the same time, isn't it something that we're coming to expect? Is Formula One somewhat behind the times when it comes to ethnic diversity and only just catching up? Last edited by beau1; 21 Sep 2011 at 01:53. |
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Sorry, Bononi you're right I made up a balls-up there. I meant Latino not Hispanic, I meant to say that and I knew it already as you guys speak Portuguese rather than Spanish. Such a fascinating country, Brazil is. I'd love to visit one day and mix with all the different cultures.
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And about the mixed thing, being born and raised in this country, I never made any difference among races/color/religion/nationality/culture whatsoever, it's all so deeply blended that it doesn't even count. To be honest, I never truly saw Hamilton as someone different in these terms, though I could sense this right here many times. |
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It only matters that he is an awesome driver, certainly one of the best out there and ever.
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I don't think it's coincidence that, at the 4 British GP's i've attended since Lewis entered the sport (07-10) that more coloured people have attended than before. Having a coloured or mixed race driver promotes the sport, the fact that he's very good and controversial makes it all the better. |
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Obviously we're all in it just for the money !
Another song coming ? |
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"On a fortune hunt that's far too fleet". *Got songs on the brain now*
"Money! It's a gas. Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash. New car, caviar, four star day dream, think I'll buy me a football team." Tony Fernandes was heard to be humming that one at Monza....... Yep! Last edited by Marbot; 22 Sep 2011 at 00:57. |
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[QUOTE=Bononi;2959349]Obviously we're all in it just for the money !
Now that is the only colour that I can ever recall counting in F1 - the colour of his money and the quantity! First Line: Show me your money .... And I'll tell you sweet lies about how we are going to improve our performance! |
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