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Old 21 Feb 2017, 18:05 (Ref:3713735)   #26
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fair point gordon - can't some of the late 90s mclarens only be fired up using a period laptop?
I gather Ferrari have a room full of vintage laptops for that exact reason. They also have the most proactive customer F1 programme ...... if you have the cash!
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Old 22 Feb 2017, 22:58 (Ref:3714112)   #27
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Hmmmm so that old lap top running Windows 98, I have in the bottom of my desk might have a use after all.
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Old 23 Feb 2017, 10:57 (Ref:3714231)   #28
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I don't see the actual laptops being that much of a problem - surely they can run the old software on new laptops in a VM? (we run a version of DOS on a VM for one legacy system for example). Getting the software off the older laptops would be a one-off pain in the arse but after you've done it then you've got it in a usable form for the future.

Again any specific hardware relating to the setup (as per the McLaren example above) surely is beyond the wit of man to resolve either? Again - it's a pain in the arse to do but if were to rebuild it you could make it wireless, use bluetooth or whatever. This is the sort of thing that you throw out to the internet and say "make this work" and someone will come back with a solution. Geeks love a challenge.
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Old 23 Feb 2017, 13:08 (Ref:3714259)   #29
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I don't see the actual laptops being that much of a problem - surely they can run the old software on new laptops in a VM? (we run a version of DOS on a VM for one legacy system for example). Getting the software off the older laptops would be a one-off pain in the arse but after you've done it then you've got it in a usable form for the future.

Again any specific hardware relating to the setup (as per the McLaren example above) surely is beyond the wit of man to resolve either? Again - it's a pain in the arse to do but if were to rebuild it you could make it wireless, use bluetooth or whatever. This is the sort of thing that you throw out to the internet and say "make this work" and someone will come back with a solution. Geeks love a challenge.
I think it's not so much the old OS and software that as you say can be run in a VM, but associated legacy hardware connectors/adapters that either are not supported on modern hardware, or for whatever reason, don't work correctly when used via adapters (I.e. USB to whatever). For the McLaren F1 road car, it is a specific bespoke CA card that is the problem. Outside of Motorsports the problem is hardware dongles (usually as part of a copy protection scheme) that don't play nice with virtual adapters.

But you are right, it is all solvable if someone has the time and money.

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Old 23 Feb 2017, 13:32 (Ref:3714264)   #30
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I think it's not so much the old OS and software that as you say can be run in a VM, but associated legacy hardware connectors/adapters that either are not supported on modern hardware, or for whatever reason, don't work correctly when used via adapters (I.e. USB to whatever). For the McLaren F1 road car, it is a specific bespoke CA card that is the problem. Outside of Motorsports the problem is hardware dongles (usually as part of a copy protection scheme) that don't play nice with virtual adapters.
recently we had a customer interested in buying a machine we haven't made for 20 years. we've got a spare unit kicking around in a test bay, but the software to power it doesn't work on modern computers (good luck finding a floppy drive to try installing it, for example), and the related techno-gubbins and controllers inside the control box aren't supported and wouldn't run anyway because there's no drivers for them...
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Old 23 Feb 2017, 14:22 (Ref:3714271)   #31
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Guy local to me, James French' dad(his name is escaping me) Has a few.... last check he had a McLaren, a Williams, a Ferrari, and a Jordan. The Jordan is I think a 2002 though... the rest are all early 90's. I stumbled across his shop by delivering an unpainted carbon barge board. I worked for FedEx out of high school for a little bit, and saw it come down the sorting line. I saw the piece, saw the shipper and asked the usual route driver if he didn't mind if I delivered that, and a few other things...he didn't have any idea as to what I was holding, and I needed to see what this belonged to.

Needless to say, I was stunned when I opened the shop door and saw what was inside. There may have been an audible gasp followed by a bang when my jaw hit the floor... spent my lunch with him, chatting F1 and getting to put my hands all over some really nice cars....that subsequently launched my career in racing. Sometimes stumbling into something is all you ever need to get a start.

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I don't see the actual laptops being that much of a problem - surely they can run the old software on new laptops in a VM? (we run a version of DOS on a VM for one legacy system for example). Getting the software off the older laptops would be a one-off pain in the arse but after you've done it then you've got it in a usable form for the future.

Again any specific hardware relating to the setup (as per the McLaren example above) surely is beyond the wit of man to resolve either? Again - it's a pain in the arse to do but if were to rebuild it you could make it wireless, use bluetooth or whatever. This is the sort of thing that you throw out to the internet and say "make this work" and someone will come back with a solution. Geeks love a challenge.
A couple of the older softwares required a dongle in one of the ports to validate that it was a licenced copy, so you couldn't just load the same software on a half dozen PCs...

Presumably the technogumbies with lots of time & resources could emulate the effect of the dongle and keep the old software sweet...
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Old 24 Feb 2017, 09:23 (Ref:3714434)   #33
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Presumably the technogumbies with lots of time & resources could emulate the effect of the dongle and keep the old software sweet...
Yep - it's possible - providing you know how the dongle worked you can create a software version of it. As you say it's time and resources.
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Old 24 Feb 2017, 10:51 (Ref:3714456)   #34
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To software specialists anything more than 5 years old is historic and 10 years prehistoric. We recently had that problem with a web designer and our Mac system.

Bernie has many of the old cars and I wonder if he keeps them in running order? He obviously has the resources to set up a suitably equipped "museum" for future generations to be able to follow what has happened in F1 over the years. Such a facility would be a great legacy from his life and times
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I'm not sure if anyone seen it, but on the Autosport boards there a great thread on the Penske PC23 Indycar and goes into great detail the work that Paul Morgan and his company have done to restore into running condition. Link below:

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I'm not sure if anyone seen it, but on the Autosport boards there a great thread on the Penske PC23 Indycar and goes into great detail the work that Paul Morgan and his company have done to restore into running condition. Link below:

http://forums.autosport.com/topic/17...dy-car/page-11

Thank you geordiecriag101. Had not seen this and thoroughly enjoyed the thread. Top restoration!
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recently we had a customer interested in buying a machine we haven't made for 20 years. we've got a spare unit kicking around in a test bay, but the software to power it doesn't work on modern computers (good luck finding a floppy drive to try installing it, for example), and the related techno-gubbins and controllers inside the control box aren't supported and wouldn't run anyway because there's no drivers for them...
Which I guess is why Ferrari have room dull of old tech!
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Frits van Eerd, boss of Jumbo in the Netherlands and sponsor of Max Verstappen, has a big collection of older F1 cars
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A few years ago one of Jacques Villeneuve's 1999 split-livery BAR-Honda was in Melbourne, it may have been without the engine.
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Bit of a bump after a while.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=897717580

Started a spreadsheet to make it easier to track the cars. Hopefully it's editable by the public so anyone can add a little bit of info. Any help would be massively appreciated.

Suspect all the museum cars will make it tough cause they rarely have a chassis number displayed and many will just be show cars too.

Thanks in advance!
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Bit of a bump after a while.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=897717580

Started a spreadsheet to make it easier to track the cars. Hopefully it's editable by the public so anyone can add a little bit of info. Any help would be massively appreciated.

Suspect all the museum cars will make it tough cause they rarely have a chassis number displayed and many will just be show cars too.

Thanks in advance!
It's not publicly editable and if I was you... I would keep it that way. Otherwise, someone will deface it at some point.

Thanks for sharing it however!

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Started a spreadsheet to make it easier to track the cars. Hopefully it's editable by the public so anyone can add a little bit of info. Any help would be massively appreciated.

Suspect all the museum cars will make it tough cause they rarely have a chassis number displayed and many will just be show cars too.

Thanks in advance!
Beaulieu Motor Museum have a few F1 cars, from the Beaulieu wesbite they've got:

2010 McLaren Mercedes MP4/21
1994 McLaren Peugeot MP4/9
2012 Lotus E20
1996 Ferrari F310 V10 (shown as being a replica - so assume others aren't)
1996 Williams Renault FW18

There are other cars there too but not owned by Beaulieu (88 Mclaren Honda for a start).
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I think you mean The Racing School at the Three Sisters Circuit in Lancashire which is now no more, there was the Forti alongside a Footwork FA14 from 1993 which were used in their F1 driving experiences.
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The excellent museum at Loheac (sorry for the missing accent) has more F1 cars from that period than there are cars on the current grid.Whether they are runners or not,I don't know.
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A few years ago one of Jacques Villeneuve's 1999 split-livery BAR-Honda was in Melbourne, it may have been without the engine.
BAT Australia are said to have a race-run BAR Honda chassis (minus the engine) in storage somewhere in Sydney.
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Fangio's Museum at Balcarce already has:
1995 McLaren MP4/10 - Mercedes
An Arrows (probably 1999 A20) painted like in 2000 or 2001 seasons.

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