Donington (Have you found it yet?) discussion!

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by Tim the Grey

Apparently there's a crew up in Derbyshire who've just become available at short notice...

Donington Park is in LEICESTERSHIRE if you don't mind. (As is the East Midlands / Nottingham Airport!)

[Tim the Grey]

Sorry, but you got the punchline, so does it matter...

[delta]

you are not alone Tim i thought Donington was in Derbyshire as well.

[terence]

I always thought it was 'sort of north'?.I'll bet that Silverstone bribed all of the DVL contractor's to cock it up just so they could get the GP back.

[SZRacer]

Au contraire, mon brave.

Indeed a quick Google brought up their full address:

Donington Pk, Castle Donington Derby Derbyshire DE74 2RP

Now, that's not to say that SOME of the circuit isn't in Leicestershire...

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

Donington Park is in LEICESTERSHIRE if you don't mind. (As is the East Midlands / Nottingham Airport!)

[terence]

You can't really argue with that!! Mallory is in Kent,isn't it?
[Wonder if all of that earth moving has affected the County Boundaries?]

[rogerwills]

I seem to remember the Melbourne Loop and the Donington Collection are in Derbyshire and most of the circuit is in Leicestershire.

[grantp]

The old Melbourne Loop, what is left of it, is mostly in Derbyshire as are parts of the Sunday Market operational area. The rest of the park and, afaik, all of the current circuit is in Leicestershire.

Never pay any attention to postal addresses and telephone exchange identifiers.

[grantp]

Map

The black line with long dashes and dots between to the left of the OS map is the county boundary.

As can be seen the tip of the old Melbourne loop is in Derbyshire (left of the boundary line). As I recall when the new Melbourne loop was added one of the reasons it was not made like the old loop included, in part, that getting 2 lots of planning permission from different counties and local councils would be more trouble than it would be worth. That and the issue of a few occupied industrial buildings in the way.

[grantp]

Originally Posted by grantp

The old Melbourne Loop, what is left of it, is mostly in Derbyshire as are parts of the Sunday Market operational area. The rest of the park and, afaik, all of the current circuit is in Leicestershire.

Never pay any attention to postal addresses and telephone exchange identifiers.

Correction - not as much of the loop as I thought is in Derbyshire according to the OS map, though the comments about the Sunday market would have been true when is was mostly at the bottom end of the loop before the large tarmac area alongside Redgate Lodge was developed.

[delta]

Yep and Pembrey is in Wales and you still have to pay to get in! buts its free to get out.

[p261brm]

IF and I mean IF the circuit is ever re-opened with all these boundries being identified in their correct grid positions, will, with a possible incoming Tory government with plans to de-centralise authority to the shire counties cause even more problems with planning for any future developers of the site?

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by SZRacer

Au contraire, mon brave.

Indeed a quick Google brought up their full address:

Donington Pk, Castle Donington Derby Derbyshire DE74 2RP

Now, that's not to say that SOME of the circuit isn't in Leicestershire...

I'll still stick to my guns if you don't mind, the circuit is most certainly in Leicestershire.
Now, obviously they moved their offices off-shore into Derbyshire for tax reasons (the Council Tax that is, it's probably cheaper!)

[andy97]

Originally Posted by SZRacer

Au contraire, mon brave.

Indeed a quick Google brought up their full address:

Donington Pk, Castle Donington Derby Derbyshire DE74 2RP

Now, that's not to say that SOME of the circuit isn't in Leicestershire...

Well, I live in Castle Donington and my postal address has Derby as the POSTAL TOWN but that does not mean that Castle Donington is in Derbyshire. It isn't. Melbourne, however, the next village to the west, is in Derbyshire, hence the fact that elements of the pre war circuit (and the current location of the sunday mkt) are in Derbyshire.

[Tim Falce]

According to the map the circuit is in Leicestershire as is the vast majority of the market.

I've highlighted the border in red and photoshopped out the border guards.

[terence]

Originally Posted by andy97

Well, I live in Castle Donington and my postal address has Derby as the POSTAL TOWN but that does not mean that Castle Donington is in Derbyshire. It isn't. Melbourne, however, the next village to the west, is in Derbyshire, hence the fact that elements of the pre war circuit (and the current location of the sunday mkt) are in Derbyshire.

I wouldn't tell Royal Mail

[grantp]

Originally Posted by Tim Falce

According to the map the circuit is in Leicestershire as is the vast majority of the market.

I've highlighted the border in red and photoshopped out the border guards.

Tim,

I'm never sure about 'fixing' the boundaries - you know what politicians are like for changing them if it helps the local voting ....

The current market, pother than a bit of parking perhaps, is indeed in Leicestershire, though the entrance to the site is in derbyshire. When it first became a 'permanent' Sunday activity it straddled the old Melbourne Loop which, from memory of the only times I happened to see it, would have meant that the market and parking for it, depending on what was allocated to where, would have been about half in each county.

Once the trees (Hollywood or remains thereof?) on the outside of the circuit wall at Redgate/Hollywood disappeared and that area was paved over it allowed the market to migrat eup the hill (and out of the mud) to its current location, which is entirely in Leicestershire as far as I know.

[grantp]

Originally Posted by terence bower

I wouldn't tell Royal Mail

They seem to have found out anyway ....

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by grantp

Tim,

I'm never sure about 'fixing' the boundaries - you know what politicians are like for changing them if it helps the local voting ....

The current market, pother than a bit of parking perhaps, is indeed in Leicestershire, though the entrance to the site is in derbyshire. When it first became a 'permanent' Sunday activity it straddled the old Melbourne Loop which, from memory of the only times I happened to see it, would have meant that the market and parking for it, depending on what was allocated to where, would have been about half in each county.

Once the trees (Hollywood or remains thereof?) on the outside of the circuit wall at Redgate/Hollywood disappeared and that area was paved over it allowed the market to migrat eup the hill (and out of the mud) to its current location, which is entirely in Leicestershire as far as I know.

If you say so but someone ought to tell streetmap.co.uk and Ordnance Survey that they have marked the boundaries in the wrong place.
Are you confusing council boundaries with real life boundaries? Some boroughs in Kent come under London.

[midgetman]

Didn't they have to apply for planning permission to TWO councils? Back in the old days when we thought there was going to be a GP in Dereicestershire?

[grantp]

Originally Posted by Tim Falce

If you say so but someone ought to tell streetmap.co.uk and Ordnance Survey that they have marked the boundaries in the wrong place.
Are you confusing council boundaries with real life boundaries? Some boroughs in Kent come under London.

Tim,

No - I think you have the boundaries in the right place. I was more suggesting that your edit version would become a 'fixed' reference whereas the linked OS version, so long as it did not vanish as a place to link to, would eventually reflect changes over time. Boundary commission stuff and all that. Your fixed version is probably better in reality.

In the old Sunday market position the market stalls tended to be along the lines of the loop but some car parking was at the botton of the hill - therefore to the left of the boudary line and in Derbyshire. Stuff used to move around a bit back then but permission from both councils would have been required in any case.

[grantp]

Originally Posted by midgetman

Didn't they have to apply for planning permission to TWO councils? Back in the old days when we thought there was going to be a GP in Dereicestershire?

Not for circuit development. However I believe there was (and is) a requirement to involve Derbyshire is any permits for use of the park where the part in Derbyshire is involved - which means whenever that Old Melbourne Loop entrance is in play or some other 'experience' activity is running down there.