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Old 12 Feb 2018, 11:23 (Ref:3800672)   #851
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Code 60 on part of course where incident has occurred at Nordschleife.Full course Code 60 at Spa.Resort to safety car at Spa sometimes.
If safety cars can be avoided with a 160 car field on a 22k circuit where the speed differential is greater than Bathurst and there is night time racing then it is possible here.
The issue with implementing a Code 60 at Bathurst compared to the two tracks mentioned above is space. At Bathurst, quite frequently you have only the gap between the two walls to work with, and you don't have the luxury of being able to send the cars outside the white lines to assist with giving the cleanup crew space to safely work. Frequently the track needs to be blocked for the purposes of turning a car around, putting it onto a tow truck, cleaning debris etc. That can only happen if there is a big gap between cars, just the way that a SC banks up the field.


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Before they think about implementing a solution they have to cleanse themselves of the Supercar Safety Car=Entertainment Car mentality that assumes motor racing fans have the concentration span of a stick insect.
Nobody in Race Control at the 12 hour was from Supercar Events, from the Race Director down. That mentality was not in Race Control, and at the briefing the drivers were told that the Safety Car was only going to be used when absolutely necessary, no other times.
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Old 12 Feb 2018, 11:46 (Ref:3800677)   #852
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I don't believe Code 60 could be applied to all instances where a safety car is best-suited.

I can't think of any instance in the race where the safety car wasn't justified.

If a car was buried deep into the ouside sandtrap at the Chase, you could maybe utilise a Code 60.
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Old 12 Feb 2018, 13:30 (Ref:3800714)   #853
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I'm not a marshall but can anybody comment on the veracity of the statements that the yellow took some time because they had to call it in on the radio before they could wave the yellow?

Doesn't seem to make sense to me.
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Old 12 Feb 2018, 15:36 (Ref:3800729)   #854
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Normally a flagger/marshal would hold the yellow in his hands all the time (s)he is on YF duty and won't need permission from race control to display the yellow flag - or hit the light button/switch for that matter. Or at least that's what I'm used to on both sides of the Atlantic.

Having the flag in your hands all the time is one of my basic instructions to new flaggers/marshals. Imo the yellow is the most vital of the flags to be shown instantly to the drivers, there is no excuse for displaying it with a delay!
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Old 12 Feb 2018, 21:36 (Ref:3800791)   #855
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Normally a flagger/marshal would hold the yellow in his hands all the time (s)he is on YF duty and won't need permission from race control to display the yellow flag - or hit the light button/switch for that matter. Or at least that's what I'm used to on both sides of the Atlantic.

Having the flag in your hands all the time is one of my basic instructions to new flaggers/marshals. Imo the yellow is the most vital of the flags to be shown instantly to the drivers, there is no excuse for displaying it with a delay!
Concur - the YELLOW (Flag or Lights) is the most important flag at any Flag Point and must take priority over just about any other activity apart from RED.

Flag Points can have personnel leave for a toilet break etc but there must always be someone on the Yellow.

Far too much has been said about this particular incident, mainly because of the continued prompting by one person on here...
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Old 13 Feb 2018, 08:55 (Ref:3800882)   #856
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Spa also have the facility to use 2 safety cars should it be necessary for some races.
Bathurst has used 2 safety cars before as well

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If a car was buried deep into the ouside sandtrap at the Chase, you could maybe utilise a Code 60.
What about cars in the sand at Hell, Murray's or McPhillamy as have all happened in recent 12hrs. What about if a kangaroo is bouncing around near the track or what if there is a rock on the track as per last years B1000, surely then Code 60's could certainly be utilised.

While I certainly take the point about the top of the mountain, the verges in most places across the top were never really much wider before all the walls were put up. Surely if we could send trucks around the track to pickup crashed vehicles with cars at racing speeds in the 70s, we could send trucks around the track with cars limited to 60km/h in 2018?

Amongst other things, it wouldn't have rendered Mostert's stunning opening stint pointless....
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Old 15 Feb 2018, 02:22 (Ref:3801411)   #858
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Bathurst has used 2 safety cars before as well



What about cars in the sand at Hell, Murray's or McPhillamy as have all happened in recent 12hrs. What about if a kangaroo is bouncing around near the track or what if there is a rock on the track as per last years B1000, surely then Code 60's could certainly be utilised.

While I certainly take the point about the top of the mountain, the verges in most places across the top were never really much wider before all the walls were put up. Surely if we could send trucks around the track to pickup crashed vehicles with cars at racing speeds in the 70s, we could send trucks around the track with cars limited to 60km/h in 2018?

Amongst other things, it wouldn't have rendered Mostert's stunning opening stint pointless....
The 60 in Code 60 refers to 60mph.
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http://www.supercars.com/news/champi...arning-system/

I was beginning to think I was crazy in suggesting changes potentially for the advancement in safety for all...
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A "foolproof system"...this will be good to see!
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Just like the use of a flag.
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Old 15 Feb 2018, 03:59 (Ref:3801424)   #862
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Just like the use of a flag.
Yep...I was thinking you were crazy as well...no longer in doubt though

How many emails did you send to Supercars?

Now...we need a name for this new "Foolproof" System...maybe:

"The Umai Naa automatic engine limiter engagement, dashboard yellow, giant Yellar screen every 10 metres, multi-chicane, multi-speed hump, school zone, super safe, slow cars down Complex"????

[Aircraft have triple and more redundant systems and they still come to grief]
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I wonder how quickly someone could become aware of the existance of a stopped car at Sulman Park, and then hit the warning light button if they are sitting in Race Control....
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I wonder how quickly someone could become aware of the existance of a stopped car at Sulman Park, and then hit the warning light button if they are sitting in Race Control....
that, in my opinion would not work.

The whole intention is is to be almost instantaneous as a yellow flag would be (maybe quicker, as its just hit the button, not requirement to lift a flag)
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that, in my opinion would not work.

The whole intention is is to be almost instantaneous as a yellow flag would be (maybe quicker, as its just hit the button, not requirement to lift a flag)
I'm not going to disagree with you on the first part, but....


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“It could be a warning system in-car, which could potentially be activated from, say, race control in a serious situation when the the circuit blocked.

Also, everything that is old is new again. I wonder if that container at Calder Park still has the traffic lights in it
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The 60 in Code 60 refers to 60mph.
It can mean whatever the organiser of the race wants it to mean. Code 60 is just the generic term from when first used by Crevantic.

There would be nothing to stop Code 60 referring to 60km/h in Australia, heck they can make the speed 40km/h or whatever they want.
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The 60 in Code 60 refers to 60mph.
er, no - everywhere I've raced in Uk and mainland Europe it means 60Kph
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I wonder how quickly someone could become aware of the existance of a stopped car at Sulman Park, and then hit the warning light button if they are sitting in Race Control....
On a good day...under 10 seconds if someone calls priority...

But...if there were other incidents being dealt with...Comms can get swamped.

A better solution might be a dedicated Yellow Light team up the top of the mountain...

Personally. I would rather see a review of the line of sight, siting, visibility and protection for the existing Flag Points on top of the Mountain...

Having said that...it is a race track, racing cars sometimes fail to proceed and park in dangerous positions...this happens all over the world...why is a couple of hundred metres of a track used under 5 times per year that "special" to some?
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Yellow flags work, they do all over the world. Sometimes drivers choose to ignore the message, believing they can judge the situation on arrival, as a result of which it's often now too dangerous to attend because they're wrong.

Unfortunately this point of the circuit has previously seen secondary impacts due to drivers ignoring the message they were being given and lights wouldn't change that as it's a choice they make.

On this occasion tv pictures appear to show a delay in the flag being shown, although I'm well aware tv can give a false impression. None of us here knows for certain therefore, and speculation is probably unhelpful.

I was one of the foreign marshals attending and so I'd like to make it completely clear that we did so as a choice - a chance to experience one of the greatest circuits in the world - and there is no question of us coming in 'to help' as commented above, the implication of that being that the local marshals need that help. They absolutely don't, and everyone I had the pleasure of working with displayed the same degree of skill and professionalism as I'm accustomed to anywhere I've been. No worries on that score.
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