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27 Oct 2016, 19:30 (Ref:3683441) | #76 | |||
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WTCC needs works teams, but without excessive costs, so with less expensive cars. FIA doesn't understand this point, so WTCC will die in few years. |
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It might not be important for you from a spectators point of view, but it is important from a manufacturers point of view.
Spectators judge a series based on grids, drivers and spectacle. Manufacturers judge a series based on exposure/marketing value and the possibility to promote their technology. |
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@Bramzel Maybe it´s important for manufacturers, but the popularity of touringcars in europe in a generally declining market for racing is way too small outside the UK and Germany that we´ll see a full grid of works cars anytime soon. Privateers are and always have been the backbone of almost all racing series, especially touringcars. But try to think of F1 only consisting of pure works teams: 2 Mercedes, 2 Hondas, 2 Renaults, 2 Ferraris... thats 8 cars... WEC with only works teams: 2 Toyotas, 2 Porsches, 2 Audis, 2 Astons, 2 Fords, 2 Ferraris... thats 12 cars. WRC: 3 VWs, 2 Hyundays, 3 Fords and 2 Citroens... thats 10 cars. Come on guys, I can´t believe you think that WTCC doesn´t need privateers to survive. And neither the organizers and Ribeiro does. Last edited by Fechna; 28 Oct 2016 at 13:07. |
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I mostly agree with you Fechna, I'm just trying to make clear that there are different stakes for the different parties. Spectators, organisation and manufacturers, each has its own agenda.
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Isn't the best way forward the DTM model (not DTM regs) of several teams running the same cars from manufacturers? Personally, I think the WTCC should adopt TCR rules.
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IMO in the ideal world (but realistic, otherwise I would say Supertouring ) is to some extend manufacturer support for teams. With manufacturer support I mean financial (sponsorship or prize fund), drivers and marketing support.
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29 Oct 2016, 06:18 (Ref:3683771) | #84 | ||
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Absolutely! Restricting TCR to private teams and drivers was one of the few mistakes Lotti made so far.
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It isn't a problem in BTCC.
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Why on earth would it dominate? If any car dominates it'll be BoPped, just look at GT3 again. There's no dominating GT3 car. |
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31 Oct 2016, 16:18 (Ref:3684312) | #90 | |||
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Works teams elevate the level of the drivers, media exposure, and to a certain degree continuity. I mean the worst thing about TCR International is the relatively small amount of drivers that compete all season long. But I guess we're far OT right now. Last edited by Fechna; 31 Oct 2016 at 16:24. |
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Yes the manufacturer backing gives teams financial stability and also means more top quality drivers get involved
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31 Oct 2016, 18:13 (Ref:3684351) | #92 | ||
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With all due respect, but I don't see Honda, Subaru and MG in BTCC as factory teams, they're privateers with factory support. They aren't the Same as the factory teams in WTCC or WEC. Factory involvement to me is more than a shell and some stickers.
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31 Oct 2016, 20:18 (Ref:3684376) | #93 | ||
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In NASCAR for example with Hendrick/Chevy and Roush/Ford it works pretty well...
"Factory" can also mean testing and drivers budget. And of course marketing. And thats the way to go. |
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The BTCC regs also make car build by an independently funded team possible, but do the WTCC regs? In which case no new manufacturers will eventually lead to no cars as the current ones get too old, accident damaged or just not competitive enough to keep running them. Does touring car racing actually need a WTCC? It is expensive to run, is not sufficiently dragging in manufacturers and from the admittedly few races I have watched has not had big crowds. |
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I prefer a European or World Championship. It's prestige, pressure and usually more very good drivers. The one thing that sucked about Supertouring was the lack of on competition between all the best drivers and teams. (At least from a non British perspective :-) ) |
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Looks like TCR might get a little more love from at least one manufacturer soon:
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...rc-withdrawal/ |
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http://www.motorsport.com/wtcc/news/...c-2017-843938/
Chilton only have half the budget for 2017. He is waiting for sponsors. If he can't find it all he could go back to his RML Cruze or to Blancpain GT |
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I hope he stays, he's matured a lot as a driver since his early days
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He dissapointed me this year though. After his performance in the Cruze I expected more of him in the Citroën.
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