NZTC 2015/2016

[Goat Boy]

Nope? Is that against Ray Noonan?

[Goat Boy]

Oh dear. A sorry affair indeed, as usual the little guys are left hurting.

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by Mark Petch

Scott Mclaughlin racing is a New Zealand entity that owned the V8ST car and equipment used by Scott Mclaughlin in the two Season he raced in the V8ST Championship. The liquidator alleges that this entity owns Noonan's Company, $50,000 as does I'Sport racing owned by Dominic Story's father Kevin Story.

It's the same old story (pun intended) that whenever there is money owed in motorsport circles, the same names keep popping up time and time again.

[Mark Petch]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Yeah let's hope the momentum builds now that everyone is pulling in the same direction.

Confirmed entries are looking good for the first round at Taupo, 6 TLX cars 7 ST cars and 9 TL cars, a total of 22 V8 Touring Cars should provide good racing up and own the field.

Pukekohe is looking even better with at least 25 cars at this point in time.

[Goat Boy]

That will be a good grid! Puke is always fun when the grid goes around the corner...

[MarcosAmbroseFan]

Originally Posted by Mark Petch

Confirmed entries are looking good for the first round at Taupo, 6 TLX cars 7 ST cars and 9 TL cars, a total of 22 V8 Touring Cars should provide good racing up and own the field.

Pukekohe is looking even better with at least 25 cars at this point in time.

hmm 22 car grid at Taupo sounds pretty good to me.

[socram]

At last - a grid of over 20 cars. A massive step in the right direction, so hopefully, there is now space on the programme for extra grids for other groups, thus, broadening the overall appeal of a meeting.

Rome wasn't built in a day as they say, but great to see a move forwards.

[nzv8fan]

Originally Posted by on_to_it

It's the same old story (pun intended) that whenever there is money owed in motorsport circles, the same names keep popping up time and time again.

There is two sides to stories as we all know. Its believed that there were sponsors of one of these cars that was owed money by V8ST for supply of goods. No doubt this will all come out eventually.

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by nzv8fan

There is two sides to stories as we all know. Its believed that there were sponsors of one of these cars that was owed money by V8ST for supply of goods. No doubt this will all come out eventually.

There's often two sides to a story, but you must wonder why the same people keep finding themselves in dispute over their debts. And they have been in and out of those situations repeatedly over many years. It's not a coincidence, they make it an art-form.

[socram]

Originally Posted by on_to_it

It's not a coincidence, they make it an art-form.

$$$$$ - the less you need to compete, the lower the chance of owing or being owed.

Most series manage to keep well away from the big money and treat racing as a sport, not a business.

Far better to have just $20,000 in the bank than be owed $200,000...

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by socram

$$$$$ - the less you need to compete, the lower the chance of owing or being owed.

Correct. The people I have knowledge about have always tried to compete at a level beyond their means using other peoples money. Ultimately large chunks of it never get repaid, and the trail of unpaid bills has become a pretty long one. As I said, they have it down to an art-form.

[nzv8fan]

Originally Posted by on_to_it

Correct. The people I have knowledge about have always tried to compete at a level beyond their means using other peoples money. Ultimately large chunks of it never get repaid, and the trail of unpaid bills has become a pretty long one. As I said, they have it down to an art-form.

There are many people in Motorsport that spend other people's money. No matter what level of Motorsport. It's just always the same people getting all the money. You have to remember there are 20 cars on the grid not just one. Without a full grid there is no form of racing.

[Southern Man]

Originally Posted by nzv8fan

There are many people in Motorsport that spend other people's money. No matter what level of Motorsport. It's just always the same people getting all the money. You have to remember there are 20 cars on the grid not just one. Without a full grid there is no form of racing.

There is a very large difference between spending someone else's money as in funding by way of sponsorships and being a mongrel and avoiding your responsibilities by running up unpaid accounts everywhere to fund your motorsport.

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

There is a very large difference between spending someone else's money as in funding by way of sponsorships and being a mongrel and avoiding your responsibilities by running up unpaid accounts everywhere to fund your motorsport.

You are correct, and that's what I was referring to. I don't understand nzv8fan's last post at all.

[eskymsport]

Does anyone know where i can find a program of events for Taupo this weekend

[socram]

Originally Posted by eskymsport

Does anyone know where i can find a program of events for Taupo this weekend

There was a fair bit about the meeting in today's Herald (Wednesday), Driven section. Not sure about a full programme, but pretty good coverage.

[20b]

From the Driven pullout

SATURDAY OCTOBER 17th

8.00am CIRCUIT OPENS TO PUBLIC
8.40am (15 minutes) Ssangyong Actyon Utes PRACTICE
9.00am (15 minutes) Motul Honda Cup QUALIFY
9.20am (15 minutes) Kumho Pre-65 QUALIFY
9.40am (15 minutes) TRADEZONE GT1/GT2 QUALIFY
10.00am (15 minutes) TRADEZONE GT3/GT4 QUALIFY
10.20am (30 minutes) NZ TOURING CARS CHAMPIONSHIP PRACTICE
11.00am (15 minutes) ENZED Central Muscle Cars QUALIFY
11.20am (20 minutes) UDC V8 Utes QUALIFY
11.50am (15 minutes) PIRELLI Porsche QUALIFY
12.10pm (15 minutes) Ssangyong Actyon Utes QUALIFY

12.25pm LUNCH BREAK

1.00pm (20 minutes) NZ TOURING CARS CHAMPIONSHIP QUALIFY
1.25pm (8 laps rolling start) Motul Honda Cup RACE 1
1.50pm (6 laps scratch) Kumho Pre-65 RACE 1
2.10pm (10 laps scratch) ENZED Central Muscle Cars RACE 1
2.35pm (8 laps scratch) UDC V8 Utes RACE 1
3.00pm (10 laps scratch) TRADEZONE GT1/GT2 RACE 1
3.30pm (6 laps scratch) Ssangyong Actyon Utes RACE 1
3.55pm (12 laps rolling) NZ TOURING CARS CHAMPIONSHIP RACE 1
4.25pm (8 laps scratch) TRADEZONE GT3/GT4 RACE 1
4.45pm (8 laps scratch) PIRELLI Porsche RACE 1
5.10pm (8 laps rev handicap) ENZED Central Muscle Cars RACE 2
5.30pm (30 minutes) NZ TOURING CARS CHAMPIONSHIP HOT LAPS
6.15pm CIRCUIT CLOSED

SUNDAY OCTOBER 18th

8.00am CIRCUIT OPENS TO PUBLIC
8.15am (20 minutes) NZ TOURING CARS CHAMPIONSHIP HOT LAPS
8.35am (8 laps del rev) TRADEZONE GT3/GT4 RACE 2
9.00am (10 laps scratch) Ssangyong Actyon Utes RACE 2
9.30am (8 laps Rev) Motul Honda Cup RACE 2
9.55am (10 laps del rev) TRADEZONE GT1/GT2 RACE 2
10.20am (6 laps Hand) Kumho Pre-65 RACE 2
10.40am (8 laps Rev) ENZED Central Muscle Cars RACE 3
11.05am (10 laps scratch) Ssangyong Actyon Utes RACE 3
11.35am (8 laps Rev) PIRELLI Porsche RACE 2
12.00pm (14 laps Rolling) NZ TOURING CARS CHAMPIONSHIP RACE 2
12.30pm (8 laps Rev) UDC V8 Utes RACE 2

12.45pm LUNCH BREAK

1.15pm (8 laps handicap) Motul Honda Cup RACE 3
1.40pm (10 laps rev hand) PIRELLI Porsche RACE 3
2.05pm (10 laps scratch) Ssangyong Actyon Utes RACE 4
2.35pm (6 laps Hand) Kumho Pre-65 RACE 3
2.50pm (10 laps Hand) TRADEZONE GT1/GT2 RACE 3
3.15pm (12 laps points) UDC V8 Utes RACE 3
3.45pm (8 laps Hand) TRADEZONE GT3/GT4 RACE 3
4.10pm (20 laps standing) NZ TOURING CARS CHAMPIONSHIP RACE 3
4.45pm (10 laps scratch) ENZED Central Muscle Cars RACE 3
5.15pm CIRCUIT CLOSED

[promax]

Live timing.

[GHOGH]

Interview with Angus Fogg. Ontrack media 17/10
https://www.facebook.com/ontracknz

[Goat Boy]

How's the weather down there? Cold and grey here.

[Racetroll]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

How's the weather down there? Cold and grey here.

Wet, cold and damp!

[darscochuck]

well that weekend of racing was a great start. Very suprising result especially since he was only 6th fastest. There is a clear gap between the 2 types of cars. hope they can make it closer so that it encourages more racing and equal opportunities. However, other than tyres what else was changed? Big congrats to all those that made this happen. Bring on Puke.l

[eskymsport]

In regards to car speed I am not sure how much you can read into the weekend lap times. Most teams had not tested on the new tyre, the weather conditions were unpredictable and there were so many differing tyre strategies that every races had a different group of cars that appeared at the front.

[Mark Petch]

Originally Posted by darscochuck

well that weekend of racing was a great start. Very suprising result especially since he was only 6th fastest. There is a clear gap between the 2 types of cars. hope they can make it closer so that it encourages more racing and equal opportunities. However, other than tyres what else was changed? Big congrats to all those that made this happen. Bring on Puke.l

Not sure that I can agree that "there is a clear gap between the 2 types of cars" however, what is very clear is that there is a big difference in both the driver's and the teams abilities, between the ST team's and the TLX teams.

For example, the TLX rules are supposed to equalise the performance between all their engines, so if we except that this is the case, then why is Bargwanna's car clearly much faster than any other TLX car? Driver? Team? Or a combination of both?

Part of the TLX teams difficulties are that they are free to use what ever springs rates, anti-roll bars, damper valving etc, they want to, which places a very significant engineering challenge on both the driver and the team to get the right combination for each track.

Obviously Bargwanna is a very good driver with a lot of experience at the highest levels of Australian V8 Supercars, which means that he car also help engineer the car from the drivers seat.

V8ST Teams on the other hand all have to use the exact same control springs, anti-roll bars, and control dampers, which means that most if not all the ST teams know were the cars sweet spot is, and can optimise the chassis reasonably quickly.

TLX drivers also have cockpit adjustable anti-roll bar's, which places further demands on the driver to get the car dialled in, where as the ST driver has no such cockpit adjustments and instead must concentrate on getting the best out of the car in terms of adapting to what they have got instead of trying to change the car on the run.

[darscochuck]

Originally Posted by Mark Petch

Not sure that I can agree that "there is a clear gap between the 2 types of cars" however, what is very clear is that there is a big difference in both the driver's and the teams abilities, between the ST team's and the TLX teams.

For example, the TLX rules are supposed to equalise the performance between all their engines, so if we except that this is the case, then why is Bargwanna's car clearly much faster than any other TLX car? Driver? Team? Or a combination of both?

Part of the TLX teams difficulties are that they are free to use what ever springs rates, anti-roll bars, damper valving etc, they want to, which places a very significant engineering challenge on both the driver and the team to get the right combination for each track.

Obviously Bargwanna is a very good driver with a lot of experience at the highest levels of Australian V8 Supercars, which means that he car also help engineer the car from the drivers seat.

V8ST Teams on the other hand all have to use the exact same control springs, anti-roll bars, and control dampers, which means that most if not all the ST teams know were the cars sweet spot is, and can optimise the chassis reasonably quickly.

TLX drivers also have cockpit adjustable anti-roll bar's, which places further demands on the driver to get the car dialled in, where as the ST driver has no such cockpit adjustments and instead must concentrate on getting the best out of the car in terms of adapting to what they have got instead of trying to change the car on the run.

I would beg to differ Mark. By the sounds of it Bargs drove the wheels off his machine and his best lap time was still 1 second + per lap slower. this became evident as the meeting went on. It was a large element of luck that also played into his hands. you are correct though in saying that there is a large gap in the ability of drivers in the TLX series. I also like the fact that engineers have the ability to have an influence on the cars. I listened to Foggies interview and he is very welcoming to having an engineer on board. he got quicker as the weekend progressed. they should encourage more of it.