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Old 14 Sep 2017, 13:12 (Ref:3766816)   #1516
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Including the first sector, fine.
A sharper chicane the the end of the back straight, fine.

But the double twisty Salotto and mid-straight chicane are completely outrageous.

I would accept a sharper Salotto entrance, but not more.
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Old 14 Sep 2017, 13:36 (Ref:3766819)   #1517
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They cannot be serious? Getting rid of the best corner on the circuit, and then putting a chicane on a straight. Everything else, fine, but the flow will be ruined
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Old 14 Sep 2017, 14:23 (Ref:3766823)   #1518
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First sector ok, the entrance to Salotto I can understand being tightened especially as it will mark the end of probably slightly over 1000m "straight".

What I don't get is that ridiculously tights set of esses that have their entrance so close to the lake?

I can understand not wanting another 900m straight coming back around the lake, but there has to be something more elegant than that chicane.

Finally at the end of the straight, what the hell is that supposed to be? It looks like a street course solution to where a new roundabout has been built across where previous years have raced.
I'd also suggest as drawn it's not very safe either. As cars go through the right hander there is a section where they will be pointing at cars coming out of tight left handed part without any form of barrier. I know this happens at chicanes at other circuits, but it usually occurs on a slow apex where the car has slowed in a straight line before hand, this would be happening through a curved braking zone for that tight second part.
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Old 14 Sep 2017, 15:29 (Ref:3766833)   #1519
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This could be the design of the circuit of Buenos Aires.
Unfortunately with a chicane in Salotto.
https://www.motorlat.com/filemanager...tina_2019.jpeg
https://www.motorlat.com/notas/f1/24...f1-a-argentina
How to ruin the character of a track.
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Old 14 Sep 2017, 17:25 (Ref:3766859)   #1520
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Yeah, That's pretty painful looking. Also, it doesn't exactly look workable; I can definitely see potential run-off issues.

Furthermore, that layout gives you one, or maybe two, decent overtaking opportunities on the lap. The problem with those ultra-tight corners is, you NEED a straight of at least 1,200 m following to allow the cars to make up the physical gap that opens under acceleration after such a slow corner.

So the only given overtaking point I see is that 90, or whatever it is, at the first part of Salotto. Maybe that chicane on the return run from Salotto won't be too tight, so there might be a shot at the end of the long loop. The left-hander there, however, is so slow, you don't have enough straight before the final hairpin. And if they've tightened that last, real turn, then there's really no chance of being close enough to the guy in front to make a move into Turn 1.
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Old 14 Sep 2017, 17:28 (Ref:3766861)   #1521
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How to ruin the character of a track.
Yes, I think like you. It is simply removing the challenges of the track, the safety is killing motorsport.
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Old 20 Sep 2017, 00:45 (Ref:3768671)   #1522
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JAB, I'm unaware of any 5.5-km minimum for F1. I think Appendix O would basically put it at either 3.5 or 3.7 km.

If there were such a thing, Shanghai, Bahrain, Qatar, Dubai, Istanbul, and India wouldn't meet it. That's two current, two (recent) former, and two potential circuits. That 5.5-km assertion just sounds absurd, and I'm aware of no codified basis for it.
What is even the reason for a 3.5/7 km minimum? It's not like the grid is so big you keed the space.
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Old 21 Sep 2017, 04:34 (Ref:3768980)   #1523
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Maybe they don't want F1 cars lapping in under a minute. Honestly though, most any track under 2.0 miles isn't going to be that enjoyable, with the possible exception of Portland or something.

For international-level, Grade 3 circuit racing and up, the absolute minimum, unless there's a special exception, such as in the case of Lime Rock, the length is 3.0 km.

Also, with relatively few exceptions, road courses under 2.5 miles (~4.0 km) aren't usually up to full Grade 2 standard anyway, except for those of us here in NA with Mosport, Laguna Seca, Mid Ohio, Lime Rock, etc., plus our bevy of street circuits. You have a few in Europe, namely Sachsenring and Oschersleben, along with a few in Japan: Aida/Okayama and Sugo. I might also say that Eastern Creek passes muster, but around the world, that's about it.
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Old 21 Sep 2017, 07:51 (Ref:3769012)   #1524
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This could be the design of the circuit of Buenos Aires.
Unfortunately with a chicane in Salotto.
https://www.motorlat.com/filemanager...tina_2019.jpeg
https://www.motorlat.com/notas/f1/24...f1-a-argentina
That is just painful. Hockenheim levels of destruction.
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Is there a Danish GP on the way based in the center of Copenhagan?

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/132058

This looks like the sort of location that Liberty would like to bring F1 to but is it viable?
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 09:40 (Ref:3770258)   #1526
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Well we haven't had a GP in the Nordic since Anderstorp, so that would make a nice change
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Is there a Danish GP on the way based in the center of Copenhagan?

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/132058

This looks like the sort of location that Liberty would like to bring F1 to but is it viable?
I want this to happen so bad
We currently only have the Copenhagen Historic Grand Prix (which is great btw) and now they are talking about Formula 1 and Formula E. I better start saving for the ticket!
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 10:57 (Ref:3770269)   #1528
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Maybe they don't want F1 cars lapping in under a minute. Honestly though, most any track under 2.0 miles isn't going to be that enjoyable, with the possible exception of Portland or something.

Brands Hatch Indy Circuit is the best track in the world, and it is 1.2 miles long. A GP there would be the best GP in the world.
Watch the Champ cars there if you don't believe me.
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I would think Danish politicians are more interested in Formula E than Formula 1.
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 18:52 (Ref:3770343)   #1530
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N4, though I like Brands Hatch Indy very much, when you then look at the GP Loop, it's a bit like comparing the Short Course at Watkins Glen to the GP Circuit there.

It's quite busy, even with just 18 Champ Cars out there (Vasser was out practically from the start), and those cars weren't as quick as any F1 cars that ran then or since. The higher speed of F1 would effectively make things even busier, especially when it comes to the probability of a coming together at that rather abrupt pit-out. Having the extra space of the 2.623-mile GP Circuit over the 1.226-mile Indy Circuit can be useful for a variety of reasons.

Also, it just doesn't feel like the Indy Circuit offers a place for the "bigger" cars to be able to "stretch their legs" properly. Beyond that, utilizing the GP Loop helps provide for some better overtaking opportunities with the full track layout; the taller gearing needed for the longer course limits the physical spreading between the cars coming off the slow(er) corners, and thus further reduces the need for desperate dive-bombs in order to make moves stick.

And while I'd kind of like to see F1 at Brands again, I think a circuit like Donington might well be a better fit, whereas the WEC could put on a heck of a race at Brands GP. (As much as anything, I'm just tired of EVERYTHING running at Silverstone, and as that's going on, I get to see NONE of the other excellent circuits in the UK. It's bloody frustrating sometimes; I'm just damn glad that the de facto FIA GT runs Brands Hatch GP and WSBK runs Donington Park GP.)

Now back to your newly-scheduled Danish GP?

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