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Old 20 Sep 2017, 03:03 (Ref:3768701)   #601
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Just thinking out loud......i wonder if wiliams could tempt mark webber back into the seat
Don't be daft, he's off to Renault.
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Old 20 Sep 2017, 04:00 (Ref:3768714)   #602
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Old 23 Sep 2017, 12:25 (Ref:3769414)   #603
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So Williams have narrowed it down to Massa, di Resta or Kubica. No offence to Felipe, but I hope they don't play it safe.
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Old 23 Sep 2017, 17:04 (Ref:3769443)   #604
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Looking at the list....Kubica it is then? If they do, it will be a good advertising move for Williams as his car will be followed closely..plus I heard somewhere that Rosberg is involved?
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Old 24 Sep 2017, 08:35 (Ref:3769540)   #605
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Even if I don't know what issues are going on here with the Williams team, I hope it makes a good choice of the second driver in time
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Old 25 Sep 2017, 04:09 (Ref:3769682)   #606
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Looking at the list....Kubica it is then? If they do, it will be a good advertising move for Williams as his car will be followed closely..plus I heard somewhere that Rosberg is involved?
I am glad for Kubica that he is sufficiently recovered to be considered as a possible F1 driver. However, I always thought he was over rated, usually scored less points than Heidfeldt when he was fully fit, so it would probably be better to get Nick back.
Massa or DiResta would be better, and I suspect Massa would still be by far the best choice.
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Old 25 Sep 2017, 10:09 (Ref:3769710)   #607
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Heidfeld was more underrated than Kubica overrated. I mean 2007 Kubica had the accident, but he kept the car in the title hunt right to the penultimate race in 2008, despite BMW stupidly ending development after their first win. 2009 the car was bad, so not really a fair comparison
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Old 25 Sep 2017, 11:36 (Ref:3769724)   #608
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It's confirmed that from next year, the official entry is as Aston Martin Red Bull Racing.
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Takes up a lot of room on a teev screen...
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FWIW, I think Heidfeld would have been a race winner in a decent car.
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We talk about drivers like Heidfeld, Kubica and Massa and their glory days (notable accomplishments) are from almost a decade ago. If you focus on just Kubica and Massa, they both had brushes with greatness (including Massa almost being WDC) and then accidents that put their careers into question.

Massa was able to recover (however I believe it did impact his ability for awhile) and for Kubica the injury was generally considered career ending for quite a long time. While Massa is only a handful of years older than Kubica at this point we are expecting Massa's retirement as being imminent (especially given he actually did retire!). So if Kubia was driving today people would be wondering the same thing. When will Kubica retire?

Who would be older than Kubica (assuming Massa retires to free up the seat at Williams)...

* Kimi at 37 who is WDC and even at that some here clammer for his retirement.
* Fernando at 36 who is multiple WDC and again, many wonder if he is ready to quit.
* Lewis at 32 (roughly same age) who is multiple WDC

So if Kubica was still driving today, I suspect that unless he was a previous WDC, his F1 career would be in it's twilight as well. Could anyone really restart an F1 career at this point purely based upon the potential that was shown many years ago? If had been successful in other top level racing during that gap then maybe, but while I don't follow WRC, he seems to have been just "OK" recently (granted, luck can be a big factor in Rally). But he is just a big question mark IMHO.

I would love to see the Cinderella story for a Kubica return, but it would have to be a big risks for anyone to really consider it.

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Would it be that much more of a risk over, say, di Resta?

I'm pretty sure everyone will agree that Kubica had more potential than di Resta when they entered F1.

Also, you can bet Williams will write a contract clause that deals with the issue of what happens if it turns out Kubica can't actually compete properly due to his arm.
Therefore, they'd be able to swap him for di Resta, or whoever else.
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Old 25 Sep 2017, 19:21 (Ref:3769797)   #613
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Exactly, being Williams reserve with Kubica signed might work out rather well. Ditto McLaren if Alonso re-signs then has another hissy fit
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* Kimi at 37 who is WDC and even at that some here clammer for his retirement.
* Fernando at 36 who is multiple WDC and again, many wonder if he is ready to quit.
* Lewis at 32 (roughly same age) who is multiple WDC

So if Kubica was still driving today, I suspect that unless he was a previous WDC, his F1 career would be in it's twilight as well. Could anyone really restart an F1 career at this point purely based upon the potential that was shown many years ago? If had been successful in other top level racing during that gap then maybe, but while I don't follow WRC, he seems to have been just "OK" recently (granted, luck can be a big factor in Rally). But he is just a big question mark IMHO.

I would love to see the Cinderella story for a Kubica return, but it would have to be a big risks for anyone to really consider it.

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Is it strange that as long as he has been in F1, I think of LH as still being one of the young ones with the younger 'new' guys and Vettel and Alonso as the old guard. No idea why and when I think it sounds funny but he just seems like there should be many more years than Vettel has in the tank.
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It's confirmed that from next year, the official entry is as Aston Martin Red Bull Racing.
What chance is there... that Honda is in line to take over Aston Martin?
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