BRDC british f3 2016 (was brdc f4)

[andrewc]

The initial production run of 20 cars - later expanded to 24 has been sold.

I presume the limit is more to do with being able to build the cars in time rather than a grid limit, so maybe further cars may be built later on.

[kipper]

Originally Posted by andrewc

I presume the limit is more to do with being able to build the cars in time rather than a grid limit, so maybe further cars may be built later on.

Looking at the provisional calendar, the maximum number of sub 2000cc racing cars that can feature on one grid for some circuits is as low as 26-28 (depending on which Oulton configuration is used). As the prospect of non-qualification would deter some entrants, I would be surprised if the number of cars grew much beyond 24.

[BackmarkerUK]

Originally Posted by kipper

Looking at the provisional calendar, the maximum number of sub 2000cc racing cars that can feature on one grid for some circuits is as low as 26-28 (depending on which Oulton configuration is used). As the prospect of non-qualification would deter some entrants, I would be surprised if the number of cars grew much beyond 24.

And presumably entrants who signed up early in the belief they would be guaranteed to qualify for the race would not be happy if the grid was expanded to the extent they weren't assured of qualification.

[BackmarkerUK]

Walkinshaw Racing have been announced as having the final places on the grid. Some fairly respectable outfits on the grid (and Walkinshaw Racing, ba-doom tish)

[kevinv89]

I know this topic has died off now but after reading through the thread I thought there was an interesting point that was briefly mentioned and that was the development of future engineers.

As an engineering student, I personally feel there aren't a lot of opportunities to develop a knowledge in the engineering side of motorsport. I know some people will come back and say you have to look for opportunities or that you can do motorsport specific courses at colleges/university but I the idea that the japanese use is something that would be good for both drivers and engineers and something the UK could really do with.

[REALIST]

Anyone know if any cars have been built yet? I have heard that there may be crash test issues.

[Wendy Wool]

There has been comment on the crash test issue for some time now, interestingly our motorsport journalists no longer report on important topics.
A sad state of affairs.

[simon drabble]

What is the realistic deadline for passing the crash test and still being able to fulfil build orders in time for next season? With pre season testing in Feb I would think it's getting tight?

[sceptic]

Originally Posted by kipper

Looking at the provisional calendar, the maximum number of sub 2000cc racing cars that can feature on one grid for some circuits is as low as 26-28 (depending on which Oulton configuration is used). As the prospect of non-qualification would deter some entrants, I would be surprised if the number of cars grew much beyond 24.

You can start 30 single seaters at Oulton Park on the Island Circuit - that's the least of any circuit on the calendar.

Donington can start 38, as can Snetterton. Even Brands Indy is 32.

[Dave Brand]

Originally Posted by sceptic

You can start 30 single seaters at Oulton Park on the Island Circuit - that's the least of any circuit on the calendar.

The Formula 4 website states that they will be using the Oulton International Circuit, so they can run 32 cars.

[kipper]

Originally Posted by sceptic

Donington can start 38, as can Snetterton. Even Brands Indy is 32.

Based on the 2012 Blue Book, the limit for racing cars of up to 2000cc engine capacity at Brands Indy is 28.

[sceptic]

Originally Posted by kipper

Based on the 2012 Blue Book, the limit for racing cars of up to 2000cc engine capacity at Brands Indy is 28.

Although Formula Renault (with its 1998cc engines) didn't take place this year, their regulations state 32 can start at Brands Indy.

Not that it matters, as I can't remember any single seater championship with anywhere near that sized grid in the last five years.

[Deemun]

Originally Posted by sceptic

Although Formula Renault (with its 1998cc engines) didn't take place this year, their regulations state 32 can start at Brands Indy.

Not that it matters, as I can't remember any single seater championship with anywhere near that sized grid in the last five years.

You obviously weren't watching Formula Renault BARC this season. The main championship had grids in the high 20's all year and peaked at 32 at the season finale at Silverstone.

The 2011 British Formula Ford championship also had a grid in the high 20's when it raced at Brands due to the combined Euro Cup entry and managed 38 cars at Zandvoort in 2010 which counted for points for the British Championship.

But yes Sceptic sadly your remark generally rings true the worst case IMO being Intersteps. Just 7 cars at their final round this year.

[Benny1664]

Formula Vee regularly sees 28 car entries with reserves at Brands so some single seater series do hit the limits...

[sceptic]

Originally Posted by Deemun

You obviously weren't watching Formula Renault BARC this season. The main championship had grids in the high 20's all year and peaked at 32 at the season finale at Silverstone.

The 2011 British Formula Ford championship also had a grid in the high 20's when it raced at Brands due to the combined Euro Cup entry and managed 38 cars at Zandvoort in 2010 which counted for points for the British Championship.

But yes Sceptic sadly your remark generally rings true the worst case IMO being Intersteps. Just 7 cars at their final round this year.

I was talking specifically about the Brands Indy circuit - I'm fully aware of the large grids the BARC series has attracted in the last couple of years.

[Banger racer]

Originally Posted by Wendy Wool

There has been comment on the crash test issue for some time now, interestingly our motorsport journalists no longer report on important topics.
A sad state of affairs.

Just spotted this about it passing its crash test first time round....http://www.formula4.com/news/brdc-f4...programme.aspx

[DiamondJim]

Yes I saw that story this morning too. Would appear the crash test rumours were nothing more than that. Ralph knows what he's doing. Look forward to seeing the car at the Autosport show!

[Latino]

If they can make this work, it could be a really good championship, although its a pity Formula Ford couldn't have been more proactive and made the obviously necessary changes first, can't help think they've made their updates a little too late...

But F4 could be a great stepping stone for both drivers and engineers, which has been missing since the very good national FBMW championship disappeared...

[terence]

F 4 always used to be a far better series/championship than FF,when an FF race was about to start,that was when everyone went for a coffee .!
70s/80s saw some excellent F4 scraps

[DiamondJim]

Anyone know what's happening with TV coverage next year? Will F4 be on Motors? Haven't heard anything on this.

Bit late but I've seen they've found more power in the engine. Now stated as 185bhp, up from 175.

[Banger racer]

Originally Posted by DiamondJim

Anyone know what's happening with TV coverage next year? Will F4 be on Motors? Haven't heard anything on this.

Bit late but I've seen they've found more power in the engine. Now stated as 185bhp, up from 175.

I seem to remember reading that there would be coverage on Motors TV – an hour-long highlights show after each meeting I think.

[DiamondJim]

Are any of you attending the Autosport Show tomorrow? If someone could post some piccies of the new car online I'd be grateful. I'm assuming some will be up on the F4 site at some point in the day.

[pauln]

Autosport has a picture with its report of the launch.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105045

[jondownunder]

More pics:

http://formula4.com/news/f4-car-launch.aspx
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...6535539&type=1

On first impressions it's an attractive looking car, though it's hard to really see it with the cluttered livery and the general darkness in those workshop shots.

[jobdone]

Was at the show yesterday, saw the F4 car on the MSV stand. The pictures don't do it any justice at all - it looks very impressive and a serious racing car - far more grown up than the winged FFord and unbelievable for the price.