The Porsche vs Ferrari (or Badger vs brielga) thread

[Brake dust]

Thanks! Guess you're right. Combination of weight to Porsche and performance breaks to AMR. Its amazing how 25kg can affect the performance.

[The Badger]

Well ..... after being at Le Mans this year and seeing a belter of a GT battle all race long ...I have this to say .

The Ferrari 458 is a super sounding machine , looks great and driven like a demon ..... I love it .

But by far the most impressive car sound ..... listening to the Corvette exiting the 2nd chicane and going up through the gears and then coming back down through the gears for Mulsanne corner ....and off towards Indyanapolis corner ..... sat there at Mulsanne for hours .
I was hoping for a Ferrari win in Pro and Dempsey for Am .

Excellant race .

[Articus]

Who are you, and what have you done with our friend the Badger?

[carbon_titanium]

Agree, the 458 GTE has a really aggressive and loud sound! If you close your eyes and listen that sound you won't never think about a ferrari.
I am not a ferrari fanboy, but I think that the 458 GTE is the best GTE/GT2 car produced so far! the only problem of ferrari is the average official drivers quality. Something like


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All the others (fisichella, bertolini, beretta etc...)



if memory helps me, without Bruni, ferrari teams never achieved important results! only 2012 PLM maybe, but there was vilander to help ESM boys

[Articus]

Memory serves you right. And yeah the Ferrari factory driver squad is pretty weak.

Bruni's resume is pretty unbelievable but no one really talks about it.

[Deleted]

Too bad big public will remember him as "some Minardi driver" instead best of the best in GT

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by Chiana

991 GTE

USCC             1225 kg (-20)    2x 29,6 mm (+1,0)    99 L (+9)
WEC / LM PRO     1235 kg (-10)    2x 29,3 mm (+0,7)    90 L (0)
WEC / LM AM      1235 kg (-10)    2x 29,3 mm (+0,7)    90 L (0)

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USCC             1225 kg (-20)    2x 30,6 mm (+2,0)    102 L (+12)
WEC / LM PRO     1235 kg (-10)    2x 29,3 mm (+0,7)    90 L (0)
WEC / LM AM      1235 kg (-10)    2x 29,3 mm (+0,7)    90 L (0)

When you look at those numbers it's like as if they're bopping the old 997. But no it's new factory cars...

[Spyderman]

I missed this whilst on vacation: Kristen out - Walliser in.
http://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutpors...al-de&id=72721

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by Spyderman

I missed this whilst on vacation: Kristen out - Walliser in.
http://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutpors...al-de&id=72721

I never really follow staff at that level, so I don't know if this type of change is normal, or if there is something else going on. I also suspect this is wishful thinking on my part, but given Walliser's background on the 918, I wonder if this might point toward Porsche considering something other than the 911 as being the focus of GT racing. Not the 918, but rather the rumored competitor to the Ferrari 458. It's also interesting how they separate their prototype and GT programs at a high level.

Richard

[airbusA346]

Gulf Racing Porsche 991 RSR.


Photo: Robin Pönisch

[rich07]

Beautiful!

I liked their 997 but didn't know they had brought a 991

[airbusA346]

Originally Posted by rich07

I liked their 997 but didn't know they had brought a 991

It has been planned since the start of the season, that they would get a 991 at some point in 2014 as far as I am aware.

[rich07]

Originally Posted by airbusA346

It has been planned since the start of the season, that they would get a 991 at some point in 2014 as far as I am aware.

Would love to see it at Le Mans next year in GT AM. Any more pics?

[Spyderman]

Here is a very nice view of the Gulf Racing Porsche:

[rich07]

Bravo Spyderman!

[Brake dust]

Well ..... after being at Le Mans this year and seeing a belter of a GT battle all race long ...I have this to say .

The Ferrari 458 is a super sounding machine , looks great and driven like a demon ..... I love it .

But by far the most impressive car sound ..... listening to the Corvette exiting the 2nd chicane and going up through the gears and then coming back down through the gears for Mulsanne corner ....and off towards Indyanapolis corner ..... sat there at Mulsanne for hours .
I was hoping for a Ferrari win in Pro and Dempsey for Am .

Excellant race

Was at the race as well. Was very suprised that P Long/Dempsey Racing was not able to get by the privateer 911 during the first hour of the race. They needed the rain and pit strategy to move up.

[Brake dust]

I missed this whilst on vacation: Kristen out - Walliser in.
http://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutpors...al-de&id=72721

Saw this as well - very interesting in light of the comment that Walliser made that the only thing that the 918 and 919 teams/staff shared was the cafeteria!

[SpikerJack]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...d=287185989394

AF Corse is testing in Vallelunga with the 51 and the 71 plus they are testing at Paul Ricard with 11-12 cars (looking at the photos). I can't even imagine the budget needed for an operation like this..

[rich07]

AF Corse have said in the past that a lot of their budget for WEC comes from the customer programs they run all over the world in different series. Must be some serious money to be made running so many cars.

[carbon_titanium]

Originally Posted by rich07

AF Corse have said in the past that a lot of their budget for WEC comes from the customer programs they run all over the world in different series. Must be some serious money to be made running so many cars.

Disagree, the 2 cars WEC gt-pro program is completely financed officially by ferrari. The WEC gt-am program is financed by the customers that use AF Corse cars (luis perez companc, enzo potolicchio etc...)

[rich07]

Originally Posted by carbon_titanium

Disagree, the 2 cars WEC gt-pro program is completely financed officially by ferrari. The WEC gt-am program is financed by the customers that use AF Corse cars (luis perez companc, enzo potolicchio etc...)

I'm sure Ferrari tip in a fair bit of money but it wouldn't completely pay for the Pro class effort. If Ferrari were indeed paying for everything wouldn't you think they'd rather do themselves? And let's face it a GT program requires far less money and people then an LMP1 programme

[carbon_titanium]

Originally Posted by rich07

I'm sure Ferrari tip in a fair bit of money but it wouldn't completely pay for the Pro class effort. If Ferrari were indeed paying for everything wouldn't you think they'd rather do themselves? And let's face it a GT program requires far less money and people then an LMP1 programme

I know for sure that the AF Corse WEC gt-pro progam is completely financed by ferrari because a very important person inside the team told me that. Is not only about "money" ferrari sends to the team engineers, race analysts and official drivers for free.
In WEC gt-pro class you have to consider AF Corse like manthey is for porsche or RLL for BMW.

[rich07]

Originally Posted by carbon_titanium

I know for sure that the AF Corse WEC gt-pro progam is completely financed by ferrari because a very important person inside the team told me that. Is not only about "money" ferrari sends to the team engineers, race analysts and official drivers for free.
In WEC gt-pro class you have to consider AF Corse like manthey is for porsche or RLL for BMW.

Fair enough, I knew Ferrari tipped some money in and gave them the factory pilots for free but was always under the impression that the funding split was more half half.

[Spyderman]

Regrets to our Ferrari friends: IMO the exit of Luca di Montezemolo does not promise good things in the near future.

[Deleted]

They're panicking about F1 obviously but I don't think it means anything for the current GT programmes or the possible aspects of future LMP1. Everything below F1 has been an afterthought for so long anyway that change isn't necessarily for worse. It's not like LdM was the most universally loved figures either...