[Driver] One-hit wonders

[Gabrio]

Originally Posted by Mr V

Sorry Chofar, don't understand this paragraph, why wouldn't Prost send Panis "back to the track"? Nobody knows when an accident will happen unless the team knows there is a car problem, and i'm sure the team and Alain himself wouldn't have allowed Panis to continue if they had have known about a problem that bad.

Chofar is right. He was sent back unfortunately. And his engineer resigned in protest after that race.....

[esorniloc]

Its been a while since there have been any changes to this list, but we can now add Button to it.

It was rather strange as if the top 3 had been in any order there would have been someone added to the list.

I wonder how long before Button can remove his name from the list, or will he stay on it forever?

[flatlander_48]

Originally Posted by esorniloc

Its been a while since there have been any changes to this list, but we can now add Button to it.

It was rather strange as if the top 3 had been in any order there would have been someone added to the list.

I wonder how long before Button can remove his name from the list, or will he stay on it forever?

Before the race, I thought it would be either Massa or de la Rosa. Definitely not Button. I thought he would just find another way to lose...

[Cougar]

Another race and another name added... Today it is Massa.. Cant see him getting off the list if he loses his drive at Ferrari...

[esorniloc]

Current list of one hit wonders:

1 Luigi Fagioli - France 1951
2 Piero Taruffi - Switzerland 1952
3 Luigi Musso - Argentina 1956
4 Joakim Bonnier - Netherlands 1959
5 Giancarlo Baghetti - France 1961
6 Innes Ireland - US 1961
7 Lorenzo Bandini - Austria 1964
8 Richie Ginther - Mexico 1965
9 Ludovico Scarfiotti - Italy 1966
10 Peter Gethin - Italy 1971
11 François Cevert - US 1971
12 Jean-Pierre Beltoise - Monaco 1972
13 Carlos Pace - Brazil 1975
14 Jochen Mass - Spain 1975
15 Vittorio Brambilla - Austria 1975
16 Gunnar Nillson - Belgium 1977
17 Alessandro Nannini - Japan 1989
18 Jean Alesi - Canada 1995
19 Olivier Panis - Monaco 1996
20 Jarno Trulli - Monaco 2004
21 Jenson Button - Hungary 2006
22 Felipe Massa - Turkey 2006

[jab]

Pace and Cevert would've achieved so much more...

I feel for Jochen Mass - his 1 win coming at a tragic event like that, and being completely overshadowed by it. Although today maybe the race would've gone to Pace or Stommelen. But today it wouldn't have been such a shambles in the first place

[Knowlesy]

The Cevert statistic surprises me, I always thought he won more. I am surprised!

[Rex Judicata]

Giancarlo Baghetti - France 1961

As I recall, Baghetti's win was also his F1 debut.

[jab]

Yes. He was a talented driver, but he wasted a lot of it on (the original) ATS (a breakaway from Ferrari, for those who don't know). He also won a couple of non-championship races before France, from what I remember

[Rex Judicata]

Originally Posted by jab

Yes. He was a talented driver, but he wasted a lot of it on (the original) ATS (a breakaway from Ferrari, for those who don't know). He also won a couple of non-championship races before France, from what I remember

Carlo Chiti's war with Il Commendatore! The original ATS was a complete train-wreck, following Ferrari's horrible 1962 season. Somehow, Chiti talked Hill and Baghetti into signing with him, effectively ending their F1 careers. That was a very different world.

[jab]

It was one of those projects that looked good, was well-back, but ultimately failed (BAR)

Not as many one-hit-wonder teams:

1) Porsche - France 62
2) Eagle - Belgium 67
3) Hesketh - Holland 75
4) Penske - Austria 76
5) Shadow - Austria 77
6) Stewart - Europe 99

Interesting that 2 came from the same driver (Dan Gurney), 2 at the same track (O-ring), and that most of them only lasted a couple of years, except Shadow - probably why they ending up being one-hit-wonders

[esorniloc]

Originally Posted by Rex Judicata

Giancarlo Baghetti - France 1961

As I recall, Baghetti's win was also his F1 debut.

He had raced in non-championship races and I think he won his first one of them as well.

[kipper]

Originally Posted by esorniloc

He had raced in non-championship races and I think he won his first one of them as well.

Indeed, in 1961 Baghetti made two starts in non championships races (Syracuse and Naples) and won them both, before making his F1 debut at the French Grand Prix which he won.

[Rex Judicata]

Giancarlo Baghetti won his first F1 race in 1960 - the non-championship race in Syracuse in the Ferrari 256. He then won his first World Championship race - the 1961 French Grand Prix.

Depending upon what and how we count, he was not a one-trick wonder -- or he was. And he won his first F1 race and also his first Grand Prix F1 race.

http://www.grandprix.com/gpe/drv-baggia.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giancarlo_Baghetti

[Rex Judicata]

Originally Posted by kipper

Indeed, in 1961 Baghetti made two starts in non championships races (Syracuse and Naples) and won them both, before making his F1 debut at the French Grand Prix which he won.

Grandprix dot com agrees with the twin non-championship wins at Syracuse and Naples, but puts them in 1960, driving the Ferrari 246. Ferrari used this label on more than one car, but I suspect this would have been the F1-246. Perhaps the last front-engined car to win in F1 (non-WDC).

So - do we count Baghetti as having won three F1 races?

http://www.grandprix.com/gpe/drv-baggia.html

[esorniloc]

Originally Posted by Rex Judicata

So - do we count Baghetti as having won three F1 races?

No, he only won one World Championship F1 GP and that is what counts.
I would have thought that all the first 9 names in the list would have won some other non-championship GP at some point.

[ensign14]

Extend that to 10, Peter Gethin won a couple (including one in an F5000 car); but he certainly won the tragic Brands Hatch Victory Race in 1971 where team-mate Siffert was killed.

Not entirely sure about Bonnier, but he won the German GP in 1960, when it ran to F2.

Fagioli won several Grands Prix in the 1930s.

[Rex Judicata]

Originally Posted by esorniloc

No, he only won one World Championship F1 GP and that is what counts. I would have thought that all the first 9 names in the list would have won some other non-championship GP at some point.

Then we do credit him as having won the 1961 French Grand Prix in his debut.

I wonder if Button or Massa will stay on this list.

[flatlander_48]

Originally Posted by jab

It was one of those projects that looked good, was well-back, but ultimately failed (BAR)

Not as many one-hit-wonder teams:

1) Porsche - France 62
2) Eagle - Belgium 67
3) Hesketh - Holland 75
4) Penske - Austria 76
5) Shadow - Austria 77
6) Stewart - Europe 99

Interesting that 2 came from the same driver (Dan Gurney), 2 at the same track (O-ring), and that most of them only lasted a couple of years, except Shadow - probably why they ending up being one-hit-wonders

Actually ATS did develop money troubles, at least at some point. Phil Hill wrote about it in an article he did for Road & Track several years ago. He talked about being paid in cash and smuggling the money across the Italian border in the sills of his car.

[strider]

Originally Posted by ensign14

Extend that to 10, Peter Gethin won a couple (including one in an F5000 car); but he certainly won the tragic Brands Hatch Victory Race in 1971 where team-mate Siffert was killed.

Not entirely sure about Bonnier, but he won the German GP in 1960, when it ran to F2.

Fagioli won several Grands Prix in the 1930s.

Neither of those wins you mention for Gethin were WDC events, which seems to be the test being applied here.

For the same reason, I don't think Bonnier's F2 win in Germany in 1960 counts, but he definitely won at Zandvoort in 1959. It was also BRM's maiden victory.

This is such a long thread that someone may have pointed out already that Fagioli's win in France in 1951 was actually shared with Fangio. Amazingly, he was 53 years old at the time, which is why his best results were in the 1930s.

[ensign14]

Yeah, but the point was "which one hit wonders won non-championship Grands Prix?".

[baclightning]

Not as many one-hit-wonder teams:

1) Porsche - France 62
2) Eagle - Belgium 67
3) Hesketh - Holland 75
4) Penske - Austria 76
5) Shadow - Austria 77
6) Stewart - Europe 99

Of course, there's quite a bit of difference beween the overall records of those manufacturers/teams. Porsche and Eagle were very successful in other categories, and Penske has won in F1, Indy Car, CART, and NASCAR. Has any other team won in all of those four series?

[flatlander_48]

Originally Posted by baclightning

Not as many one-hit-wonder teams:

1) Porsche - France 62
2) Eagle - Belgium 67
3) Hesketh - Holland 75
4) Penske - Austria 76
5) Shadow - Austria 77
6) Stewart - Europe 99

Of course, there's quite a bit of difference beween the overall records of those manufacturers/teams. Porsche and Eagle were very successful in other categories, and Penske has won in F1, Indy Car, CART, and NASCAR. Has any other team won in all of those four series?

To say nothing of Can-Am, Trans-Am, endurance racing, USRRC and Formula A...

[esorniloc]

We have a new addition to the list of one hit wonders, with LH win. I guess he will not stay on it long.

[Mekola]

Current list of one hit wonders among active F1 drivers:

1 Jarno Trulli - Monaco 2004
2 Jenson Button - Hungary 2006
3 Lewis Hamilton - Canada 2007

Felipe Massa was on that list last year: now he has four wins.
Lewis is very keen to follow "multiple wins" way soon.
How about the other active one-hit wonders?