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Old 11 Jan 2013, 15:32 (Ref:3187777)   #51
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This escort....... veeeeeery nice
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Old 11 Jan 2013, 15:34 (Ref:3187779)   #52
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There was a link to the auction earlier in this thread. AFAIK all the RS1800 road cars were white. Obviously they don't give names of vendors but no cars described as Zakspeeds.....

Several people having clear outs at the moment- it's that time of year!
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Old 11 Jan 2013, 15:47 (Ref:3187783)   #53
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There was a link to the auction earlier in this thread. AFAIK all the RS1800 road cars were white. Obviously they don't give names of vendors but no cars described as Zakspeeds.....

Several people having clear outs at the moment- it's that time of year!
looking at the mann escorts pics it who i thought it was an iv been upclose with this car it is very nice and look amazing.

No No zak car for sale so will still be out in 2013 Mike..... think you know the one???
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Old 11 Jan 2013, 17:22 (Ref:3187816)   #54
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Is the escort a real race car? or just a recreation like all the COrtinas!
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Old 11 Jan 2013, 17:28 (Ref:3187822)   #55
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Now now, Joe. AFAIK It is the real deal. Don't think Jim Clark drove it though!

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Yes XOO AMR car is a real one alright. Think it gets mentioned in the book towards the end when return to racing is discussed.

One car was rescued from Sweden in the early noughties, and Alan knew of another surviving car which I think he told me was this one but my memrory is from a conversation at Mallory in 2003 so i may be waay off beam!!

Whatever the case he, or rather his no 1 engineer knew (the late Jim?) where they were.
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Old 11 Jan 2013, 19:28 (Ref:3187864)   #57
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Its X00348F thats for sale

The BTCC ran to Group 5 regulations for that year allowing XOO 349F and XOO 348F to use the Cosworth built FVA injected F2 engine producing 210BHP. XOO 348F is credited with winning the motor show 200 for that season, being driven by Peter Arundell, Jackie Oliver and possibly Roger Clark at Brands Hatch.

During the 80's XOO 348F was used amongst other things for rally cross with notable success and since then has been totally rebuilt back to 1968 group 5 BTCC specification to a very high standard, with group 5 front and rear suspension, a fresh George Wadsworth built injected FVA engine, magnesium bell housing and limited slip differential and is described as being in very good condition and supplied with a UK V5 registration document.

XOO 348F was requested to attend the Goodwood revival 2011 to celebrate 100 years of Ford UK and is eligible for a whole host of historic events throughout Europe. All in all this ex-works Alan Mann Escort is a cut above all others and is probably the only Alan Mann Escort to be offered for sale in the foreseeable future.


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Old 11 Jan 2013, 19:54 (Ref:3187871)   #58
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We know all that Jonathan! The question Zeff was asking rather mischievously was whether the car was the original and genuine. It is not unheard of for historic cars and identities to be lost then suddenly be found again....

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We know all that Jonathan! The question Zeff was asking rather mischievously was whether the car was the original and genuine. It is not unheard of for historic cars and identities to be lost then suddenly be found again....

Same question as always applies; What is original?

These cars were modified on a weekly basis,constantly striving for improved performance.

Someone tell me the "original" spec. for the suspension.

Also, would it be eligible for any current series?
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Old 11 Jan 2013, 20:19 (Ref:3187885)   #60
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We know all that Jonathan! The question Zeff was asking rather mischievously was whether the car was the original and genuine. It is not unheard of for historic cars and identities to be lost then suddenly be found again....



I knew what he was asking and was rather badly playing a tad 'simple' to his question and using the COYs advert pitch!

But this opens up a very large can of worms...... how many real cars are actually real?? reshells, damage parts, worn parts etc etc

I know my NSU is 3/4 real..... 3/4 due to is needing 2 rear quarter panels!!!! but they were hand beaten to match the original flared arches took the beaters 1 1/2 weeks per quarter panel.
I guess its all relative..... and for me real fake reproduction, recreation, its all the same a good fake is as good as a real one! sure many will disagree.

how many broadspeed, alan mann zakspeed cars documents are sat in a file doing nothing???? if someone want to restore recreate rebuild or copy cars on grids and racing is the main thing surely?

My Escort is a privateer zakspeed car needing restoration it currently look roughly like a zak car and has zak ID I honestly cant prove its it REAL or a good or bad fake.... as the history isnt there it was bought from a german farmer who spoke very little english the car covered in chicken sh!t with cows rubbing up against it, when the time comes ill restore the car to a tasteful privateer liveried car Ill get great pleasure from restoring it and ill race/drive it like its stollen.

Ill step down off the soap box now.....

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Old 11 Jan 2013, 20:28 (Ref:3187891)   #61
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Same question as always applies; What is original?

These cars were modified on a weekly basis,constantly striving for improved performance.

Someone tell me the "original" spec. for the suspension.

Also, would it be eligible for any current series?
Short answer would be yes,but competitive?
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Short answer would be yes,but competitive?
The JD Classics series would accept it, but if you want to be competitive look elsewhere for a later car. I don't think it has any modern safety items- not even a cage- so would take money and work.
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The JD Classics series would accept it, but if you want to be competitive look elsewhere for a later car. I don't think it has any modern safety items- not even a cage- so would take money and work.
Yes,exactly Mike,certainly would take a fair bit to get up front.
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To get this thread back on topic - Autosport International rather than Dagenham Dustbins. What was it like? Anyone got a serious appraisal? Have I missed the best business opportunity since Mr McDonald said "fancy a burger anyone"? Or would a stand have resembled Jessops in a Christmas rush? Was there any substance behind the hype and glitz, or was it the same old stuff given a fresh coat of paint and called new?

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Well, after many years since my last visit, my lasting impression is that it's a shadow of its former self. However good to meet up with Mike (hope you passed the medical) and Chunterer (as we were leaving).

Chatting to Anders at Anglo American, he reckons 2012 was his best year yet. They're supporting more series/clubs this coming season which suggests that the show may not be reflective of the state of the sport.

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To get this thread back on topic - Autosport International rather than Dagenham Dustbins. What was it like? Anyone got a serious appraisal? Have I missed the best business opportunity since Mr McDonald said "fancy a burger anyone"? Or would a stand have resembled Jessops in a Christmas rush? Was there any substance behind the hype and glitz, or was it the same old stuff given a fresh coat of paint and called new?

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As I said it appeared very quiet, but it was Thursday. I can tell you that one or two stands were 'invitees', just to fill a space.

The trailer stands appeared to be busy, in fact the new Brian James and PRG offers look very good. There was a product that would be good for us amateurs, a datalogger that links in with a Go PRO thereby allowing the driver to analyse performance down to the second.

Of the Clubs, the HSCC majored on its new Touring Cars Series, of the others the BRSCC had a stand with modern racers, but I don't recall any stand out displays from the clubs.

AWS had its stand and seemed to be doing good, if not brisk, business and of course GPR and DT were there.

Overall, it felt a little flat.
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A bit understated for Al I think

Sounds like every year for the past X number then I was invited up today to help out on a customer's stand in return for a free ticket, but I'm at my shop taking money instead
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Last night's wine and brandy wore off then, Max.....

No, you didn't miss anything world changing.

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One for Zef...

It appears that an typo was made on original Morgan Plus 4 homologation papers, and that the car's true width was a tad more than declared.

After consultation with FIA the correct dimension has been agreed and bodywork below will be accepted in 2013-

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Yup, amazing how these things get discovered. BTW the wheel rim sizes were found to be wrong as well...
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Its X00348F thats for sale

The BTCC ran to Group 5 regulations for that year allowing XOO 349F and XOO 348F to use the Cosworth built FVA injected F2 engine producing 210BHP. XOO 348F is credited with winning the motor show 200 for that season, being driven by Peter Arundell, Jackie Oliver and possibly Roger Clark at Brands Hatch.

During the 80's XOO 348F was used amongst other things for rally cross with notable success and since then has been totally rebuilt back to 1968 group 5 BTCC specification to a very high standard, with group 5 front and rear suspension, a fresh George Wadsworth built injected FVA engine, magnesium bell housing and limited slip differential and is described as being in very good condition and supplied with a UK V5 registration document.

XOO 348F was requested to attend the Goodwood revival 2011 to celebrate 100 years of Ford UK and is eligible for a whole host of historic events throughout Europe. All in all this ex-works Alan Mann Escort is a cut above all others and is probably the only Alan Mann Escort to be offered for sale in the foreseeable future.


Estimate: £60,000 - £70,000

I know I have said this before but in the 70's I was offered this car for the princley sum of £1000 sadly I declined the offer. I was in the motortrade and was offered this by a dealer mate who traded from Borehamwood, he knew I was into HotRod racing and thought I may like it for that, just as well it was not elligible for short circuit racing as I would have wrecked it!
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Last night's wine and brandy wore off then, Max.....

You see, we've done it again - five minutes talking about the thread then back to Dagenham Dustbins and "massaging" the FIA rules Do we ever talk about anything else?!?!
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