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Old 4 Mar 2013, 18:54 (Ref:3214180)   #1
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McLaren & Honda back together

There's a story over on the BBC about Honda coming back to Formula 1 as an engine supplier with McLaren.

Didn't see this coming but I hope it comes to fruition.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21655985
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Old 4 Mar 2013, 20:10 (Ref:3214219)   #2
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This was rumored some time ago after Mercedes bought Brawn.

Seems feasible to me and especially since McLaren seems on borrowed time with Mercedes. It's a logical tie up and Honda seems interested in the new engine formula. I would say it has a great chance of happening.
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Old 5 Mar 2013, 00:08 (Ref:3214299)   #3
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Old 5 Mar 2013, 00:13 (Ref:3214301)   #4
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Back the good old times ! Then all we'll need is a sort of Senna's and Prost's personalities to make the japaneses interested enough...
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I'm still remembering their dismal efforts from a few years ago. They didn't have the best engine then, so why would they have one next year, or the year after? They're already behind the game, as it is.

Williams are reunited with Renault, but success needs more than just two names from the past to be brought back together again.

But anyway, best of look to them both.

I'm also a big Honda fan, but two wheels, not four.
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Old 5 Mar 2013, 03:12 (Ref:3214331)   #6
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I'd like to see it happen if only because having only three engine manufacturers (I'd count Cosworth, but their one customer isn't exactly swimming in cash) in F1 for 2014 would be pretty awful.
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Old 5 Mar 2013, 04:47 (Ref:3214347)   #7
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Dont know why Honda & Toyota ever left, they shouldve always stayed as engine suppliers...
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Old 5 Mar 2013, 05:38 (Ref:3214363)   #8
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If Honda aren't having to spend money on building a chassis, they are going to be able to put 100% into the engine. Should be interesting.

It's a good time for new engine builders to come in with the 2014 reg changes.
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Old 5 Mar 2013, 09:07 (Ref:3214422)   #9
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It's not the worst idea to be floated around the rumour mill. IIRC however McLaren have a contract to run Mercedes engines until 2015? Maybe it would be smarter for Honda to enter with another team (say, Sauber or Force India, maybe even Caterham or Marussia)? If they can produce a good enough engine, coupled with a somewhat competitive design, it might even entice the higher-ups at Honda to consider a re-entry?
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I wonder how easy it might be to get out of that contract!

I cant imagine the team are happy that Merc are nicking their team members too. But if the contract is binding then I mdoubt they will be able to do much.

If Honda are seriuous though they will probably have already come up with a spec, and looked at costs

Marketing wise it makes sense fot hem to be there, the engines aill be perhaps more efficient and reflect more on real world engines, plus they would probably want to get involved in KERS as that is very green!

I always wondered why they tried to build a whole car, their best success has always been as a supplier in cars, bikes are their best area but they dont always get it right there too!!
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Old 5 Mar 2013, 12:44 (Ref:3214521)   #11
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According to the BBC article mentioned

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So there isn't an issue with them getting out of the contract for 2015
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Honda build very successful turbo engine for other motorsport and they get to see what appears in 2014.
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McLaren should be getting a new livery next year anyway since Vodafone isn't renewing their sponsorship.
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McLaren should be getting a new livery next year anyway since Vodafone isn't renewing their sponsorship.
Good thing they have a certain driver who has a certain sponsor that is run by a certain billionaire. White and light blue livery would be interesting in Formula 1.
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Old 7 Mar 2013, 13:54 (Ref:3215554)   #16
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I'm still remembering their dismal efforts from a few years ago. They didn't have the best engine then, so why would they have one next year, or the year after?
Because V8s (or V10s) are not part of what Honda does. A turbo 1.6 would be much closer to Honda's strength.
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Because V8s (or V10s) are not part of what Honda does. A turbo 1.6 would be much closer to Honda's strength.
I thought that Honda were pretty much against turbos for their road cars? They like to make high revving engines in order to make power. They do it so well for their motorcycles, which also follow the same philosophy of using high revs to make power.

Honda do currently have a 2.4 litre turbo V6 engine in the Indy car series, which uses a single turbo, but it's not as good as Chevrolet's twin turbo engine.

hmmmm

Well, at least they have some valuable R&D with regard to modern single turbo V6 engines.
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Theres also the btcc but pretty sure thats a 4pot.

Are they still on lower boost than everybody else?

Turbo hondas are very popular aftermarket huge scene in drag racing for them.
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Theres also the btcc but pretty sure thats a 4pot.
Have they all done squabbling about parity?
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If McLaren run in that livery I think I'd actually weep with rage.
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If McLaren run in that livery I think I'd actually weep with rage.
Well if that becomes their main sponsor, we'd have to accept it. Besides, what if they make the livery look good?
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No one is going to pass up the offer of a huge sponsorship deal because white and blue clashes with chrome.
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I presume they wouldn't run chrome with Telmex branding.
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