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I think it's important to remember that Zak B is not Ron Dennis, he is a more open thinker - look at the Alsonso Indy deal, the test day got more coverage than McLaren has had for probably two years in F1.
Honda will see this and they will probably think that McLaren in total can present different opportunities for Honda- how about a McLaren Honda Le Mans campaign or maybe McLaren Honda in FE, or a Honda-McLaren hyper car- I bet this is where Zak's thinking is. |
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I think Zak is doing his best to sort it, so hopefully he'll find the right solution with Honda
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There has also been some quotes directly from Yusuke Hasegawa that they have been interviewing engineers at Milton Keynes and some of those have been Mercedes engineers. Ideally they would want them to work at Sakura longer term. If not longer term, then shorter three month tenures as well as working directly at their Milton Keynes location. The point is they are looking to get engineers who have direct knowledge of "what works" and are trying to be flexible (relocating to Japan longer term is probably not attractive to many). IMHO, they need to focus on staffing up at their Milton Keynes location. As I mentioned above, the general word is that the current combustion concept tested well in single cylinder situation, but they then went straight to the six cylinder engine and it didn't perform as well. But it was too late to adjust at that point. That is the current solution today. So speculation is a rework of the combustion chamber solution is in the works. Basically find something that works in a full engine and not just a single cylinder test engine. Beyond the combustion issue, they are also chasing... * Coolant and bearing problems with the MGU-H (problems that are exposed on the car and not in static testing) * Shaft problems with MGU-K * Turbo performance improvements Also the potential for a split between Honda and McLaren might have really been in the cards at one point. But it sounds like this may not be a topic of current discussion as McLaren pressure has resulted in some structural changes (no details) within Honda at Sakura. Details like this surface on some other F1 specific sites such as the F1 sub-reddit and F1technical.net (not sure if I am breaking rules by mentioning other sites). And ultimately that info seems to be translations of Japanese motorsport media who seemingly are able to get the inside scoop at Honda. It is probably unrealistic to expect Eurocentric media to have contacts deep inside Honda. Richard |
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So FP1 in Spain, Alonso's on his out lap, gets to turn 3 and the engine seizes. How much longer can this go on?
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It's also likely that the power unit used in FP1 was an older unit. I think a number of the prior units that had issues and was then swapped out, was swapped out not because they were totally unusable, but rather because it was harder (timewise) to fix than it was to just swap in a totally new unit. The focus has been on track time. So what might be the more high mileage or less optional engines may be used in practice while the better ones saved for qualifying/race. Frankly, (and unfortunately as a fan), I am not expecting any real "potential" for change until they bring a new spec which may be as early as Monaco, but maybe later? I don't think there is any official word on when a significantly revised power unit is expected to show up. Richard Last edited by Richard C; 12 May 2017 at 15:17. |
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This is becoming farcical.
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Apparently this engine was used in OZ and Chinese GPs and in Bahrain practice....which I find surprising that they even had a usable engine with that much milage on it to use in the first place!
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/a...ut-lap-904531/ |
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Is there any other team wanting to make a deal with Honda for next year ?
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I don't believe Alonso's engine failure, during the out lap of FP1, at his home Spanish GP, was a humiliating coincidence.
He has been extremely vocal about the chronic shortcomings of his Honda power unit, and rightly so, but that won't sit easily with Japanese culture and their sense of honour and respect. |
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Absolutely agree with Bob Fernley on this: http://www.autosport.com/news/report...-helping-honda
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What does Mercedes gain, as an F1 PU/engine manufacturer from helping Honda?
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They will also possibly be able to persuade the rest of the engine manu's that persisting with the engine rules that they own is a good idea, failing which they will have to invest a whole lot in a new engine. From Honda's side I would say they have very little to gain from Mercedes in solving problems that are specific to their engineering, also show Mercedes all their secrets for no benefits. |
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Mercedes want to be seen to beat more manufacturers in direct fights -- not less. And that's what they gain. Honda and Renault waddling around at the back and out of sight doesn't really help anyone.
Mercedes are believed to have helped Renault in the past. The two companies each own tiny fractions of the other. |
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You also have to take into account that if a team is run by, what I would call, true racers, and Mercedes is certainly with Lauda and Wolff leading it, then it will not go against the grain to assist your competitors.
I can speak from experience that we often received outside help from our competitors when it was most needed. The fact that I might go out and beat them never entered their minds; they just wanted good clean racing, and the best car/driver to win. In this respect the boys/men from Ford from Boreham were without equal. |
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Alonso does a lap....things are on the up an up now.
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