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Old 22 Sep 2004, 00:24 (Ref:1103428)   #1
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Standing Or Rolling Starts?

So what will it be for the road and street races for 05, rolling starts or standing starts?

I'm not sure if the IRL has decided how it wants to go about doing the starts for the new road races in 05, so I thought I would ask you guys for your opinions on the matter.

Personally, I love the standing starts. The tension of waiting for the lights, the sensory overload of watching and listening to 22 cars roaring away from the start line, and off into the first corner, where so much can happen, and usually does, is awe inspiring, and dramatic, and often is one of the best parts of a road race. For me, standing starts are the only way to go!

Whats your opinion?
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Old 22 Sep 2004, 00:58 (Ref:1103435)   #2
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I assumed it would be a rolling start, and would be very suprised if it wasn't.
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Old 22 Sep 2004, 08:13 (Ref:1103568)   #3
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standing starts would be interesting but I would assume its a rolling start , as per just about every other race in the States , but it would be a novel idea to have a standing start wouldnt it ?
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Old 22 Sep 2004, 10:38 (Ref:1103674)   #4
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While I personally prefer standing starts, I think IndyCar would be wise to keep rolling starts for its road races, simply to keep things consistent across the season.
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Old 22 Sep 2004, 12:55 (Ref:1103812)   #5
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Standing starts would probably cause more incidents, and go further away from the IRL's original image, so I'd lean towards rolling starts, at least at first.
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Old 22 Sep 2004, 14:26 (Ref:1103897)   #6
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They'll go with rolling starts....much safer, and they are less likely to tear up equipment....
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I don't know, street races, road courses, and rolling starts. Its all looking to much like CART II for my liking.
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Old 22 Sep 2004, 20:04 (Ref:1104200)   #8
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I think that's the intention GP Racer!

Back in the day, Tony George wanted more of a say in running CART.

He didn't get it, so the whole of the last ten years has been about evolving his own CART series.

When the 2006 and future seasons schedules are 50/50 oval/road course then he'll have achieved his aim!
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Old 22 Sep 2004, 20:18 (Ref:1104229)   #9
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I think that's the intention GP Racer!

When the 2006 and future seasons schedules are 50/50 oval/road course then he'll have achieved his aim!
Dohhhh! Don't say that! Not 50/50!

Although I was once a CC fan, I hope your wrong KB. I do not want to see TG follow down the same path as CART. That would mean international races, at the expense of the US races, all foreign drivers, at the expense of US drivers, and less and less ovals, 3 major factors in CART's demise.

I've come to like the IRL as it is, and while I don't mind a few road courses, 50/50 is a no go for me. It's seeing the IndyCars on the ovals that provide the speed and excitement that we want. There isn't a road course around that will provide the thrills of Texas, and Chicagoland.
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It'll be a rolling start. Actually, are there any American racing series that actually use a standing start?

Oh, and GP Racer, like the IRL is a hot bed of American driving talent. That part of TG's dream/sales pitch never came to fruition in my opinion. And as far as I'm concerned it's a non-issue. I just want the best drivers the series can get.

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I think a mixed schedule would be fine, but keeping it to US/Canada/Mexico plus the one Japanese race, rather than pipe dreams of international expansions.
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Well Tony George originally wanted a series with 10 ovals and 10 street/road courses although I personally think 17 rounds with just 3 road/street ciruits is how I like it and I hope it stays like it.

GP Racer I'm with you 100% I love high speed very exciting oval racing but 2 or 3 road races is going to bring respect it happened with CART when the series was originaly formed with about 80% ovals.
Having the road courses helped the ovals and proved there is skill involved.
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That was near anoth the original CC and I would like it based in N.A and 1 anual fly away.
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Old 22 Sep 2004, 20:35 (Ref:1104266)   #14
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Although the IRL was originaly designed for more American talent because Tony George felt CART was to international, If you look at the field of the first IRL race at Disney world speedway way back in January 1996 and compare it with the amont of Americans in the last race at Chicagoland it has signicantly dropped.
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Old 22 Sep 2004, 20:42 (Ref:1104276)   #15
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Agreed. Once the series got its legs and became more competitive the American drivers started being phased out. That really indicates how poor the feeder system is for single-seaters in America. Most of the short-track oval grass-roots series like USAC are running front-engine type cars. Mid-engine sprint cars and super modifieds should have never been banned.

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Old 22 Sep 2004, 21:10 (Ref:1104307)   #16
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I just want the best drivers the series can get.
Yeah, I'm sure thats exactly what CART said years ago, and where are they now? That series should just move to Canada and get it over with.

Having a reasonable amount of American drivers in an American series is very much an issue!
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So what's your solution???

Should we subsidize the field by mandating that x number of cars on the grid be driven by American drivers?

Until the feeder system is changed you'll have to live with the current situation.
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Old 22 Sep 2004, 22:03 (Ref:1104374)   #18
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Your right, the best solution is the feeder series, which is only recently, finally producing and giving a chance to a decent amount of American drivers. I suspect and hope that we will see a couple of them get a shot in the IRL next season.

BUT, these team owners have to give them a shot. They need to know how important it is to have a reasonable amount of Americans in there series. They need to know IndyCar history. Only Eddie Cheever seems to get it. He believes in American drivers. Either the others don't get it, or they don't care, but you can bet that the American fan cares. IndyCars will never achieve there former stature without the home-grown hero's we used to have, like Foyt, Andretti, Johncock, Sneva, Jones, Carter, the Unsers, Mears, and a whole host of others. These guys were the real hero's, and Stock Cars was just a "redneck" thing. Thats what this sport really needs again.

Bring your international stars, but have a good base of home grown talent to compete against them...
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I don't see any prominent teams taking on new American talent next season. Maybe in a year or two. Teams like Penske, AGR, and Ganassi want solid drivers that know how to get to the finish line and know how to win. At least Penske took on Hornish, which was key I thought. Roger really hasn't invested much in American talent since Rick Mears. And Bobby Rahal giving Buddy Rice a shot was also great. It's just too bad that Kasey Kahne and J.J. Yeley didn't get more support. Those were two guys I wanted to see in competitive rides.

The trouble is that I don't see a lot of good American talent in MIPS or Atlantics. USAC has been bringing up some great talent. But, they're all looking at NASCAR. MIPS needs to grow big-time before it will be a viable feeder series. I hope that happens.


OH YEAH, and like I said, rolling starts it will be. See mods, I can stay on topic!

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Old 22 Sep 2004, 23:28 (Ref:1104448)   #20
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Well, how did Ganassi know that Dixon and Manning were solid guys? They had no IndyCar expierience, or oval expierience. Neither did Wheldon, or Kannan, but they got shots at the top teams. Or Scheckter who's had a full 1/3 of his races end in accidents, but he still gets a look from the top teams.

I don't know, I still cannot figure out how some guys get the shots, and others don't, but I'm working on it!

By the way, check out IPS, and I think you'll see some good young Americans there.

By the way, standing starts for me!
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A great on-topic discussion if I ever saw one.

Solid road course cadidates with extenstive mid-engine experience have proven they have car control. I'd say it also says they know how to set up a car and are sensitive to changes. If I had to guess I'd say oval racing is easier to adapt to in comparison to road course racing. Overall, the overseas road racers fit the bill nicely and more often than not have proven are up to the job. Perhaps someone such as Team Owner can shed some light on this.

Most of the promient American oval talent hale from short track sprint cars, midgets, and silver crown. I know for sure that if I was a NASCAR owner that I'd look to silver crown in a heart beat for driving talent. Maybe MIPS will eventually have the status of say Busch and Craftsman Trucks as a feeder series. It just needs time perhaps.

Oh, and in terms of preference, standing starts are far more interesting. But it'll be rolling starts IMO.
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Let me digress. I prefer a LeMans start. Drivers run across the track. Buckle up. Raise their arm. Starter crew cranks it up. And they're off! Whoopee!! Sissys are allowed to disagree.
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Now that, my friend, is a start!

Make sure you call TG on that one. That'll really set this series apart!
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Now that would be very interesting wouldnt it , not that it would ever happen but would make one heck of a spectacle
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Turning right is going to be new enough for now.
Trying standing starts would be OTT.
How many cars would stall on the grid? They'd also have to give the engine manufacturers plenty of notice, I would think.
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