Ferrari LMP?

[anthonyvop]

Originally Posted by PascaLM

yes but Derek Bell and Jacky Ickx didn't meet a strong opposition in 1975, only Ligier and his JS2 Cosworth.

They ran seriously detuned Cosworth DFVs limiting the Revs and only pushing about 380 hp

[NaBUru38]

Ferrari in LMP2 = cash cow

[TF110]

The engines in F1 are able to run 4 races. They also make over 750hp. If you get technical, they could be modified to work for endurance cars.

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by TF110

The engines in F1 are able to run 4 races.

A F1 race is a bit more than 305 km, while the distance record of the 24 hours of Le Mans is 5410.71 km. Hence, McNish's quote:

The Audi R18 TDI Will Travel a Greater Distance During the 24 Hours of Le Mans than an F1 Car Will Travel over Entire Formula 1 Season.

source: http://forums.vwvortex.com/entry.php...rmula-1-Season

[Joe Taylor]

Originally Posted by TF110

The engines in F1 are able to run 4 races. They also make over 750hp. If you get technical, they could be modified to work for endurance cars.

They currently have a 2000km limit. It would take some serious modifications to allow that to be tripled.

[TF110]

My point is the engines can be modified to work. Toyota's supergt engine is basically the same as rebellion's, hpd uses a supergt engine also. I'm sure theres a good deal of work that'll need to be done, but it's possible.

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by TF110

I'm sure theres a good deal of work that'll need to be done, but it's possible.

By "good deal" you mean "a lot"? Look at the Judd V10 engine. Over the years, the displacement of the 3.5 liter Judd F1 engine was gradually increased to 4.0 (GV4) to 5.0 (GV5/GV5 S2) to 5.5 (GV5.5 S2).

[hondafan37]

(gwyllion) A F1 race is a bit more than 305 km, while the distance record of the 24 hours of Le Mans is 5410.71 km. Hence, McNish's quote:

The F1 use the same engine in the Saturday practice and qualify too. So this engine do more or less 450 Km. For each race.

By "good deal" you mean "a lot"? Look at the Judd V10 engine. Over the years, the displacement of the 3.5 liter Judd F1 engine was gradually increased to 4.0 (GV4) to 5.0 (GV5/GV5 S2) to 5.5 (GV5.5 S2)

This increase in the displacement of the engine were necessary because the restrictors were always more favorable for the largest engines.

[hondafan37]

The Ferrari presence with a V12 in LMP1 will put the ILMC audience and promotions in amazing lever. This is what the ACO needs. And Ferrari could be use the V12 in the first lever of the motorsport again.
Also the LMP technology is more near to street sports cars than the F1

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

This increase in the displacement of the engine were necessary because the restrictors were always more favorable for the largest engines.

According to John Judd himself the main reasons are lower revs and thus better relibility, more torque and better fuel consumption.

See http://www.endurance-info.com/article.php?sid=2330 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judd_engine#GV5

[hondafan37]

(gwyllion) According to John Judd himself the main reasons are lower revs and thus better relibility, more torque and better fuel consumption.

All of it is perfect. So you must enlarge the restrictors to the smaller engines you allow it be competitive. The restrictors were more favorable for the largest engines.

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

So you must enlarge the restrictors to the smaller engines you allow it be competitive.

Smaller displacement engine do get given bigger restrictors. Take the air restrictor size of last year as an example (see here for copy of rules):

• 4.0 liter (e.g., Judd GV4): 2 x 34.7 mm
• 4.5 liter (e.g., Zytek ZJ458): 2 x 34.4 mm
• 5.0 liter (e.g., Judd GV5): 2 x 34.0 mm
• 5.5 liter (e.g., Judd GV5.5): 2 x 33.7 mm

The restrictor rules are such that every engine configuration produces the same peak power. However, the big difference is in drivebility (i.e., power band) and fuel economy.

[hondafan37]

Smaller displacement engine do get given bigger restrictors. Take the air restrictor size of last year as an example (see here for copy of rules):

• 4.0 liter (e.g., Judd GV4): 2 x 34.7 mm
• 4.5 liter (e.g., Zytek ZJ458): 2 x 34.4 mm
• 5.0 liter (e.g., Judd GV5): 2 x 34.0 mm
• 5.5 liter (e.g., Judd GV5.5): 2 x 33.7 mm

The restrictor rules are such that every engine configuration produces the same peak power. However, the big difference is in drivebility (i.e., power band) and fuel economy. 29 Apr 2011 20:00hondafan37Quote:
(gwyllion) According to John Judd himself the main reasons are lower revs and thus better relibility, more torque and better fuel consumption.

So what you say the smallers engine must have a bigger restrictor to conpensate with more power its weakness in torque and fuel economy. The actually restrictor table only allow competitive the largest engines.