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Old 29 Nov 2017, 15:15 (Ref:3784055)   #776
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I still want them to go to Potero de los Funes They should skip a few chicanes too! If Lopez is in the car still, that would definitely put people in the seats in Argentina.


Weather in January/February is great too. And for once I wouldn't mind running the chicanes simply because it means the series goes to a super cool track!



Alas, never gonna happen sadly.
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Old 29 Nov 2017, 15:55 (Ref:3784067)   #777
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Is that circuit still in use? Haven’t much about it since it hosted FIA World GT
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Is that circuit still in use? Haven’t much about it since it hosted FIA World GT
It hosts touring car (tc2000 at least) races there. It did this year back in April.
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The problem with "Potrero de los Funes" circuit for endurance races is the noise. The neighbours don't want long races, that's the biggest problem. The circuit itself is ok.
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I still think they should host the FIA GT World Cup there rather than Macau.
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We pretty much already know how the 2019-20 calendar is going to look like

- Silverstone*
- Fuji**
- Shanghai
- Bahrain*
- Sebring***
- Spa
- LM

* Assumed resurgence by what the ACO has indicated
** Unless Toyota pulls out in 2019, if they do I guess they could switch to Suzuka or back to Okayama or ditch Japan altogether like they did for ILMC
*** Assuming 2019 not a fiasco

Some of the actual calendar questions instead should be
1) How are events slotted (and in which order) within the calendar year, what gaps are there
2) Will there be changes to the event format
3) Will the "Sebring Winter Test" of the olden days return and be available for LMP1 cars
4) What's the status of Rookie Test now with FR3.5 dead
5) Will there now be two press conferences for announcing the entries, the usual one in February for LM + regional series and one later on for the following years WEC?
6) Will the Prologue return (for late summer / early fall)

2020-21 of course a mystery, especially with the new prototype regs

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Old 29 Nov 2017, 20:51 (Ref:3784147)   #782
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Hope that sebring WEC part2 will be disappointing.... honestly, to me it's a too silly idea to be real....

To me a structure like this could be better and easier to handle for sea/air shipping, avoiding the north america roundtrip:

Late August: rd.1 Silverstone

shipping to asia

Mid October: rd.2 Fuji
Late October: rd.3 Shanghai
Mid November: rd.4 Bahrein
Early December: rd.5 Abu Dhabi (the 12H event would be great, considering the poor and short gt3/prototypes entries)

shipping to europe (or florida for teams involved in daytona 24h)
late january - early march: homologation window for lmp1, lmp2, gt LM bodywork

Late March: Prologue, or why not Monza 6H
Early May: rd.6 Spa
Mid June: rd.7 Le mans

late june - early august: homologation window for new specs


Split the season basically in high downforce series and low drag series
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To be a World Championship, the WEC must visit a minimum of three continents.

Honestly, I think that should be at least four continents (a majority of the habitable landmasses), if not five.

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To be a World Championship, the WEC must visit three continents.
FIA would surely just grant them a waiver, just like they did for Ratel's 2012 FIA GT1 World Championship that was run solely in Europe with GT3 cars.

But anyway what canaglia suggests above is probably the worst possible calendar and regulative window I could possibly think of Everything's just...
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Chiana, everything else aside, where would YOU have the WEC run in the Americas?

Damian, 45 days would be tight; 60 seems more doable though. Heck, the Buenos Aires 1000 km used to be in January anyway.
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I still think they should host the FIA GT World Cup there rather than Macau.
They should hold the GT world cup anywhere rather than Macau.
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FIA would surely just grant them a waiver, just like they did for Ratel's 2012 FIA GT1 World Championship that was run solely in Europe with GT3 cars.

But anyway what canaglia suggests above is probably the worst possible calendar and regulative window I could possibly think of Everything's just...
why?
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The problem with "Potrero de los Funes" circuit for endurance races is the noise. The neighbours don't want long races, that's the biggest problem. The circuit itself is ok.
We'll do two 3 hours "sprint" races (Sat/Sun) then!
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why?
Short off-season, gigantic gaps in-season, boring Tilkedromes, far too large Asian presence, the said continent issue for FIA requirements, homologation windows feel restricted, and also I don't like differentiating hdf and ldf tracks so clearly together.

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Chiana, everything else aside, where would YOU have the WEC run in the Americas?
Preferably I wouldn't have winter season at all because it creates too big gaps and other issues but nevertheless if we go with that (and also assuming the old grid integration with regional series aren't possible anymore like it's been made clear) I'd have two American rounds like in the ILMC. Furthermore a structure like this:

September: Entry Announcement for full season WEC + Homologation deadline of new/updated cars at the end of the month
October: T1 Voluntary Road Atlanta Pre-Season Test + RD1 Road Atlanta 6 Hours (Either Friday or Sunday of PLM weekend)
November: RD2 Japan 4 Hours
December: RD3 China / Asia 4 Hours
January: RD4 South America / Africa / Australia 4 Hours
February: Entry Announcement for LM24 and Regionals + Homologation deadline of new/updated cars at the end of the month
March: T2 Voluntary Sebring Winter Test + RD5 Sebring 1500 Miles or 12 Hours
April: RD6 Europe 6 Hours
May: T3 Voluntary Le Mans Test Day
Jun: RD7 Le Mans 24 Hours
Jul: -
Aug: -


So you have

7 race events, 2x Europe + 2x NA + 2x Asia + 1x "the other continent", with 4 different formats
3 collective tests you can do if you wish (two of them very close to the events)
2 homologation windows
~3½ month off season & ~1½-2 month in-season break

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Oh and maybe between those three "sprint" 4 hour flyaway races add in rule where only the best 2 results count for points, so team can safely skip one of them if you have budgetary/timing issues mid-winter.

Meanwhile to counter act against low entry numbers in those three events, they could also form "Sprint Series" within the series to attract extra entries from elsewhere, and to make it more of a spectacle. Have LM auto entries as prize for succeeding in it. By mid-January those automatic invites would fall in place just in time for the February ACO press conference

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But then you've removed Silverstone, after it gets voted one of the most popular circuits.

1 Silverstone
2 Fuji
3 China
4 Abu Dhabi
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But then you've removed Silverstone, after it gets voted one of the most popular circuits.
2020: Give the 'European WEC event' to Silverstone and Spa to ELMS
2021: Give the 'European WEC event' to Spa and Silverstone to ELMS

etc alteration year by year, like Hockenheim and Nurburgring used to do for a while in F1

You could retain the "historical" 6h (1000km) distance of Spa in ELMS too. There have been request of having "longer standout" race in that series anyway - heck even ASLMS has done it - so here's the chance for it
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So your solution is to take BOTH popular non-LM events off and rotate them? All to try and get 2 US races, where they have previously struggled to support one? And then mess with the booming ELMS formula to make it happen? Did you miss that they had to put Silverstone back on, because everyone collectively said "wtf?" AND try and encroach on another IMSA event?

No offense man, but in terms of bad ideas, this one is up with the guy who was firing himself into space on a home made steam rocket, to prove the Earth was flat. There's no upside (unless you enjoy watching failures).
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So your solution is to take BOTH popular non-LM events off and rotate them? All to try and get 2 US races, where they have previously struggled to support one? And then mess with the booming ELMS formula to make it happen? Did you miss that they had to put Silverstone back on, because everyone collectively said "wtf?" AND try and encroach on another IMSA event?

No offense man, but in terms of bad ideas, this one is up with the guy who was firing himself into space on a home made steam rocket, to prove the Earth was flat. There's no upside (unless you enjoy watching failures).
Yes Silverstone was ALREADY off for next year, but that was because their intended January/February slot failed. Probably Bahrain or whoever didn't come up with the cash in time. I personally don't give rats ass about the place but that's beside the point.

The American market has failed for WEC because they've foolishly been attempting it in COTA where nobody cares. And it's not a pre-established event like Sebring and PLM/RA are. You don't have to raise them up from nothing, they're already there.

Besides having two American events already worked out just fine in 2011.

Lol messing up with ELMS, yes this most minor of changes surely would send them to their doom as for "booming", you can have different viewpoints on that... And even if you insist on it, ELMS of today wouldn't be the same as now if not for the dramatical changes implemented for 2012 which almost killed the series... even though it had been doing just fine the previous year and from the spectator point required no tinkering.

The 2018/19 calendar is already more of a revolution than what I'm suggesting in modding it. Sometimes you have to change things to comply with changed times...
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Mexico should be part of the calendar, it's one of the best races. Sao Paulo is a must too.
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Yes Silverstone was ALREADY off for next year, but that was because their intended January/February slot failed. Probably Bahrain or whoever didn't come up with the cash in time. I personally don't give rats ass about the place but that's beside the point.

The American market has failed for WEC because they've foolishly been attempting it in COTA where nobody cares. And it's not a pre-established event like Sebring and PLM/RA are. You don't have to raise them up from nothing, they're already there.

Besides having two American events already worked out just fine in 2011.
Silverstone was temporarily off for one year because of the move to the winter series. Even one year missing was enough for such a kick back that it was put back on. Your solution removes Silverstone AND Spa and alternates them every year, the very thing people weren't willing to accept for one year for one track. Unless you're going for an approval rating lower than Max Mosely after he attended some very questionable parties, that isn't going to work.

The reason for the failed January slot was feedback from the teams that they are prepping for the Daytona 24, including the Roar, during those times.

2 American events worked great in 2011. But this isn't 2011, and this isn't even the same series, doesn't involve the same teams, or organisers. Are we moving with the times, or looking backwards?

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Lol messing up with ELMS, yes this most minor of changes surely would send them to their doom as for "booming", you can have different viewpoints on that... And even if you insist on it, ELMS of today wouldn't be the same as now if not for the dramatical changes implemented for 2012 which almost killed the series... even though it had been doing just fine the previous year and from the spectator point required no tinkering.
My viewpoint of booming is the series is healthy. It has a high car count, good quality teams, variety, and crucially is acting as a ladder like was intended. ELMS has found a good spot.

What you are suggesting isn't a major change, but it's completely unnecessary. You basically admit that the dropping of Spa and Silverstone would be the most disliked move since the invasion of Poland, so throw the fans a bone, here's an extra 2 hours at Spa in a different series. Somehow I don't think that's going to cut it.

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The 2018/19 calendar is already more of a revolution than what I'm suggesting in modding it. Sometimes you have to change things to comply with changed times...
Actually your change is much more more revolutionary, and a step back. You're incorporating the winter season move as well (which is the big bit), and the Sebring race (the other big bit), but you're also suggesting dropping the 2 most popular circuits on the calendar. What is that if it's not revolutionary?

There is a lot of irony in the statement of change to comply with changed times. What you're trying to do is recapture the ALMS glory by trying to bring factory P1 teams back to Petit and Sebring, because you hate the current IMSA format. I understand (although don't agree) with your dislike of IMSA, but you're trying to roll the clock back to the ALMS days, and you'll happily drop the popular circuits to try and get it back. That isn't moving with the times - that's moving backwards.

It may seem like a strong opinion, but you of all people should appreciate that. The WEC did a fan survey, and although it was a bit poor (just like all the others), there were certain things that did come from it. We've complained a LONG time about the ACO not listening to fans, and now they finally listened it'd be stupid to suggest we then ignore them.

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Mexico should be part of the calendar, it's one of the best races. Sao Paulo is a must too.
I love these too, just not sure where they would fit. Sau Paulo needs to solve the crime problem around the circuit too - the recent F1 race was ridiculous.

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We have to be realistic here.

Silverstone - the fans spoke. It stays
Fuji - As long as Toyota is around, it stays. And it's popular
China - I don't like it, but it seems to be popular and there's some Chinese teams and money around.
Bahrain - It's paying for it's race. It won't disappear
Sebring - We're lucky we have such an awesome race. I hope it is a success
Spa - Come on, it's one of the greatest circuits in the world.

I'd love to see Monza and Sau Paulo over China and Bahrain, but I don't see it happening.
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I like the ideas of where we all want them to race, but this is off topic a little. Our 'fantasy schedule' has been done in another thread iirc.
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DSC reporting that wheel changes will be allowed during refueling in the ELMS and two wheel guns can be used at the same time.

This probably mirrors what the ACO want to do with the WEC's pit stops, seeing as the ACO run both the WEC and ELMS.
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DSC reporting that wheel changes will be allowed during refueling in the ELMS and two wheel guns can be used at the same time.

This probably mirrors what the ACO want to do with the WEC's pit stops, seeing as the ACO run both the WEC and ELMS.

Hmm, I don't like this idea. I think it's an incentive to destroy the tires at every stint, and that's bad for those teams with amateur drivers that could save some time doing double stints with the same set of tires and maybe a lower mixture.

I come from the development of simulation of race cars and it's proved that allowing tire change while refueling only benefit the faster drivers.


If we talk about LMP1 private teams vs manufacturers, it could be an option to balance the performance.

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