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Old 18 Jan 2005, 10:08 (Ref:1203638)   #16
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Front Torque transfer system on the BAR last year? Although that was a development of an idea used by Benetton a few years ago.

I suspect that the inards of a lot of the gearbox's may be radical, but we wouldn't get to see.

However what is radical? Are we looking for rear engines, turbos, engine as a stressed memember, ground effects, active suspension? Well they only come a long once every ten or so years anyway (and have already been thought of).
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Old 18 Jan 2005, 10:21 (Ref:1203646)   #17
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I would say the bullet-proof engine block that Ferrari has been using the last couple of years would be the most recent innovation.

The Walrus was good, but it didnt acheive anything.

Torque Transfer was outlawed before it was raced.

With the raising of the front wing, it will be interesting to see if any teams go back to the nose being connected to the front wings like the Ferrari's from the early 90's.

You should be able to run different engines at different weight levels.

eg. V12 at 700kgs, V10 at 650kgs, v8 at 600kgs, v6 at 500kgs... etc.

this would ensure variation from GP to GP
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Old 18 Jan 2005, 10:21 (Ref:1203648)   #18
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The Walrus?
Not really inovative,just another variation on a theme,what we would have seen if the rules had been left alone is that eventually after a few years despite some teams having bigger budgets is basically all the teams ending up with pretty much the same thing just the teams who are better off will get there sooner and you reach a point where you have to spend upteen millions just to find a thousandth of a second over the opposition(deminishing returns syndrome).So a change of rules may allow 1 clever team(Ferrari)to come up with something that the other teams don't have,not really seen anything yet that would make me not want to drive for Ferrari.P.S. that last remark made me think of a well known Kylie Minogue song.
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Old 18 Jan 2005, 10:39 (Ref:1203657)   #19
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Adam is wise! DK, those are precisely my sentiments too! Cheers!

PS: I'm not sure if Paul Stoddard profited as well, but that's a only a detail. He wanted to invest in F1 because he saw it as good business. Not for the love of sport. If he lost (not at all sure about that either) - though luck for him.
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Old 18 Jan 2005, 10:46 (Ref:1203662)   #20
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The question of whether the new rules, specifically the V8 configuration, will help the lower funded teams has been debated before. Theoretically, in my view, initially the high budget teams will have the edge for the simple reason that they will have more resources to develop the new motor.... but after the transition, say a season or so, the playing field should even out somewhat as lower budget teams catch up. We may also get a few more engine suppliers involved which could increase competiton and lower costs.
Which engine manufacturers are realistically likely to enter? Virtually every major car company is involved in F1 at present, it's more likely that we would see further pullouts.

Teams catch up over time when the rules are stable, not after major changes. The gaps between teams aren't really the problem, but (as mentioned) the fact that they're in roughly the same order every time, and can't overtake easily enough thanks to the aerodynamics.
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Old 18 Jan 2005, 10:49 (Ref:1203666)   #21
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Quick quiz:
Who said "the only way to make a small fortune out of motor-racing is to start with a large fortune". (paraphrased?)
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Old 18 Jan 2005, 10:59 (Ref:1203671)   #22
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I think Ferdinand Porsche is credited for that one. Anyway, it's a very old saying. That wasn't accurate in modern Formula 1, especially when Paul Stoddard decided to buy Minardi. To quote him, he 'invested because it was booming business'. I wouldn't deny that he loves the sport, this is extremely accurate. But he didn't buy Minardi because he wanted to rescue them; he bought it because it was cheap and he really though he'll get a large fortune.
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Old 18 Jan 2005, 11:11 (Ref:1203676)   #23
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But he didn't buy Minardi because he wanted to rescue them; he bought it because it was cheap and he really though he'll get a large fortune.
And if Minardi were a mid-field team fighting for podiums then we'd all be cheering him and saying what a great job he's done.

Instead we bag him out, he gets sick of the negative press and leaves, and one more team down the drain...
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Old 18 Jan 2005, 11:21 (Ref:1203679)   #24
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Yes, I'd cheer him if he does a great job instead whining.
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Frank Williams?
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...when Paul Stoddard decided to buy Minardi. To quote him, he 'invested because it was booming business'. I wouldn't deny that he loves the sport, this is extremely accurate. But he didn't buy Minardi because he wanted to rescue them; he bought it because it was cheap and he really though he'll get a large fortune.
I agree here, except for the rescue bit, I'm sure there was a small amount of that there.

when he Bought Minardi there were other parties interested in buying into F1, and there weren't *that many* for sale.

He was ****ed that Prost went under providing a cheaper entry into F1 that otherwise would have been possible, when that fell through I'm sure he had some sort of smile on his face...same with Arrows.

He whinges when there is money to be had, he is whingeing now after the sale of Jaguar has taken another prospective buyer (coincidence ?)

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Old 18 Jan 2005, 22:14 (Ref:1204186)   #27
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What was the last truly radical F1 inovation?
Mclarens mid-wings
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Old 19 Jan 2005, 01:16 (Ref:1204303)   #28
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on the innovation front, and i will admit it's nothing ground breaking like ground effect cars or anything, but how about ferraris neat idea to re-route the exhausts out of the top of the body work. it has been near universally used since.
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Old 19 Jan 2005, 01:40 (Ref:1204322)   #29
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The way they pay more to and favour the smaller teams is simply a way of artificially stabilizing f1
The fear is that if the small guys weren't helped they would get no sponsers,drop out and leave only the big guys to fight it out ....untill they left for lack of interest then the cycle would start from scratch with many small and mid sized teams getting into f1

It's not quite right and i don't completely agree with it.It is nessesary at the moment though.
If costs were controlled more then it would be less nessesary
But if f1 had all it's rules rewritten then none of this bullsh*t would happen in the first place
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