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Old 6 May 2004, 19:54 (Ref:962840)   #1
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Would Adelaide 1994 and Jerez 1997 have been as hyped if...
...they were not title deciders? I don't think so. Many people think MS drove into DH on purpose in Adelaide 1994, but less than a year later at Silverstone 1995, the same thing happens again (MS and DH both going for the same piece of black stuff, MS ahead of DH, DH trying to pass MS) and DH gets the blame. Why? The first one was a WDC decider, the second one was not.
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Old 6 May 2004, 20:16 (Ref:962854)   #2
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I don't know about the majority of 1994 and the whole of the 1995 season as i didn't really bother to watch F1 that year because of the previous season.
But from what i have seen of footage of the incident in Adelaide, Damon gave him plenty of room and went with at least 75-80% of the car over the kerbs to avoid Michael.
It's so obvious that he turned in on Damon, steering problem or no steering problem, you'd have to be blind not to see.

Same goes for Jerez, but that one went off the scale for sheer stupidity and he (TGF) got what he deserved.
Jacques got what he deserved that year as well.
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Old 6 May 2004, 20:21 (Ref:962857)   #3
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the question here would be.... would Jerez 97 and Adelaide 94 be as hyped if MS was NOT involved in those incidences.... i think probably not..
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Old 6 May 2004, 20:23 (Ref:962859)   #4
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Doesn't matter who it is, if everythings on the line then it doesn't matter if its Michael Schumacher or Billy-Joe The Slack Jawed Jokel.
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Old 6 May 2004, 20:29 (Ref:962863)   #5
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in answer to Yoong's original question... NO it would not have been as hyped because there have been a lot worse incidences of "cheating" than those two but since they involved a WDC there is always an added sort of hype.... again you could look at Senna/Prost 89 and 90... the biggest controversies in f1 but there have been a lot worse that havent got the hype or coverage....
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If they hadn't been in Championship deciders ... they wouldn't have happened.
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Silverstone 1995 wasn't a championship decider
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Who mentioned Silverstone ?!?!
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Wasn't me guv'nor... Honest!

And the guilty party is ......

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less than a year later at Silverstone 1995,
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Old 6 May 2004, 21:31 (Ref:962907)   #11
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the question here would be.... would Jerez 97 and Adelaide 94 be as hyped if MS was NOT involved in those incidences.... i think probably not..
Yes they would.

It's those incidents that contribute towards the antipathy towards Schumacher.

He wasn't really disliked before Adelaide.
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Yes they would.
It's those incidents that contribute towards the antipathy towards Schumacher.
He wasn't really disliked before Adelaide.
granted, with michael schumacher there is no gray area...he is either liked or loathed.....but i have to give credit where credit is due...here he is approaching his 200th gp seemingly as strong as ever, well on his way to a 7TH world drivers championship and where are his 2 antagonists from those days?.....last pic i saw of dh he was doing his best george harrison impression and jv was, well.... where IS he now?......with ms, winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.....and for that i do admire him.....now let the slinging begin......
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yeah, but the thing about 1994 is that MS got dq'd that year for some serious BULL. So I adelaide does not really bother me...

Jerez 1997 is a different story. There MS was just plain wrong.
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Although as a whole, Michael deserved the 1994 WDC, when you take into account the race bans etc. The way he actually won it was wrong!
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in answer to Yoong's original question... NO it would not have been as hyped because there have been a lot worse incidences of "cheating" than those two but since they involved a WDC there is always an added sort of hype.... again you could look at Senna/Prost 89 and 90... the biggest controversies in f1 but there have been a lot worse that havent got the hype or coverage....
Spot on Ralfie!

IN particular, not only was Senna's move on Prost very unfair, I reckon it was premeditated, but also was really dangerous, cos' it could have caused a very hard accident to Prost.
But, you know, it was Senna, and almost nobody noticed.
Thus you're 100% right, the personality of who causes unfair accidents influences the general judgment on it.
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Yes they would.

It's those incidents that contribute towards the antipathy towards Schumacher.

He wasn't really disliked before Adelaide.
I have to Agree Adelaide 94 caught everyones attension and appeared dubious but (thanks to Barry Sheene) Damon Hill didn't kick up too much of a fuss about it so maybe it was just a mistake caused by an ill handling car.

Jerez 97 was far more blatant you could read his thought process from the in-car footage

It was this incident that told the world what he was willing to do to win.

But more importantly it then caused people to re-assess the 94 incident and back dated everyones opinion 3 years

But in answer to the original question No they wouldn't have attracted the same hype if they hadn't been title deciders because there would have been less at stake.
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Re: Would Adelaide 1994 and Jerez 1997 have been as hyped if...
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...they were not title deciders? I don't think so. Many people think MS drove into DH on purpose in Adelaide 1994, but less than a year later at Silverstone 1995, the same thing happens again (MS and DH both going for the same piece of black stuff, MS ahead of DH, DH trying to pass MS) and DH gets the blame. Why? The first one was a WDC decider, the second one was not.
Not a chance they would have been hyped as much. It's more than blantantly obvious to anyone.

Adelaide 1994 was blantantly TGF's fault. He turned in on Hill. No argument.

Silverstone 1995 was Hill's fault, as he came from at least 5m behind TGF to try a silly move. Damon Hill got the blame because it was his fault!

And Jerez 1997 was TGF at his most stupid.
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I don't think that Schumacher would've tried either move if it wasn't a decider, it was a case of his win at any cost philosophy.
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granted, with michael schumacher there is no gray area...he is either liked or loathed.....but i have to give credit where credit is due...here he is approaching his 200th gp seemingly as strong as ever, well on his way to a 7TH world drivers championship and where are his 2 antagonists from those days?.....last pic i saw of dh he was doing his best george harrison impression and jv was, well.... where IS he now?......with ms, winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.....and for that i do admire him.....now let the slinging begin......
You forgot Mika Hakkinen... he got 2 WDCs over MS to the one each for the other two.
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I have to Agree Adelaide 94 caught everyones attension and appeared dubious but (thanks to Barry Sheene) Damon Hill didn't kick up too much of a fuss about it so maybe it was just a mistake caused by an ill handling car.
IIRC, Barry Sheene was heard in the background shouting "Tell them what really happened Damon" or words to that effect.
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Maybe, but the '94 incident one could almost put off to immaturity.

I wish F1 would return to Jerez. I like that circuit.
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