Qually to change again?

[Marbot]

Qually is to change again after it was revealed that some teams were "railroaded" into signing up for something they didn't want! read at www.f1racing.net or www.itv-f1.com

[climb]

Rule changes are exasperating me

[Marbot]

Originally posted by climb
Rule changes are exasperating me

Hopefully it will all be sorted out before the end of February. But i hope it is changed.

[Kicking-back]

As long as a system is in place before the season starts, and remains in place for the whole season, we'll be alright.

[climb]

Yes, but, from time to time, I'd like to be able to compare a season to the previous/following one.

[ASCII Man]

Come on, get back to the old one hour qualifying sessions....
Those were fun, especially in the closing 10-15 minutes...

[Dutton]

Now, now ASCII........ We need spice.... I was thinking something along the lines of a hint of chilli powder blended with a decent helping of paprika. Any other thoughts?

[Kirk]

Personally, I think the idea of having to start the race with the same fuel load that you qualified with is a resounding failure.
I must admit that I was intrigued when I first heard of that format, but that has soured somewhat. It is particularly infuriating to me that so many take those qualifying numbers as gospel. IE. they jump to the conclusion that driver X is faster than driver Y because driver X qualified faster; with only a passing regard for race strategy. Since F1 has deteriorated to the point of only being able to compare teammates these days because it is the closest thing we have to 2 drivers competing on a level field, the comparison of qualifying times is far too often made to evaluate drivers, for my liking. If F1 goes back to qualifying with all teams running virtually the same, preferably light, fuel weight at least then this can be an accurate means of assessment. I do however like the idea of 1 (and only 1) hot lap, where a driver is pressured to pull it off or suffer the consequences.

[Gt_R]

I quite like the old format where we see drivers taking turns trying to beat each other's runs.

[climb]

Originally posted by ASCII Man
Come on, get back to the old one hour qualifying sessions....
Those were fun, especially in the closing 10-15 minutes...

Especially?

I'd rather say "exclusively". The first 45minutes were mostly dappled and drowsy.

[Adam43]

The calm before the storm...

[Skam85]

I like the idea mooted by, I can't remember, but have a one hour session but every 15mins the bottom 5 get eliminated, or locked in to their grid spots. then the fianl 5 in the last 15mins will be going for broke. in fact, everyone will be going for broke from the word go!

[DougK]

IMO they should review the points system and then give points for qualifing to encourage all the drivers/teams to give it their best effort. I think two 30 min sessions - one saturday and one sunday would be enough. Personally I like the agregated times idea as it makes things very exicting and throws in extra considerations.

Without viewers/ supporters the Formula would not be there as sponsers only pay beacuse of advertising, therefore the hapiness and excitement (which has been lacking of late) is the most important thing in F1!

Qualifying HAS to be exciting as well as functional.
Perhaps looking at the BTCC rules for this next year some of them can be put in place?

[climb]

Any hope about revitalizing quals is hopeless since the engine rules have been implemented. Nobody can afford the risk to miss 10 positions after giving 101% and thus breaking the engine.
As long as the engine rules remains (and, on the contrary, becomes more and more restrictive) there is no quals formula (not even the older one, which assumed engines could be replaced) able to bring excitement back.

[Red]

I'd say let's make it some fantasy f1 entertainment show.. You know, most of those internet games give points for quals, number of places lost/gained in race, fastest lap, hottest pitbabe etc. Wouldn't that be nice? Ratings will skyrocket, sponsors will rush with their chequeboocks ready, hoohaa.

Giving points for qualifying is ridiculous. What do you want more, the pole sitter already got his reward by starting first, you want to give him points too?

[DougK]

If you give qualifying points you reverse the grid as some other series do (or part of the grid). It encourages teams to put effort in in both the race and qualifying

[Dutton]

Then it becomes farcical, imho.

We are already part way there.

[D.R.T.]

I agree with the movements for a change for the qualifying system used 2002 and previous. This is exciting fair and the one currently used and the one previously agreed on for 2005 are terrible

[Glen]

Originally posted by Kirk
...the comparison of qualifying times is far too often made to evaluate drivers, for my liking. If F1 goes back to qualifying with all teams running virtually the same, preferably light, fuel weight at least then this can be an accurate means of assessment. I do however like the idea of 1 (and only 1) hot lap, where a driver is pressured to pull it off or suffer the consequences.

There is already a very good mechanism for seeing which driver is the fastest - it's called the race! It might be an amusing diversion, but a lap of qualifying is not F1 - F1 is a long race of 200 miles. Which driver can do the quickest qualifying lap is irrelevant.

[Dutton]

I bet a lot of Senna fans would disagree with you about the fastest qualy being irrelevant Glen!!! :-P

[Red]

It IS irrelevant. Senna wasn't a grat driver because he got lots of poles. He was a great driver because he won lots of races.

[DougK]

The fastest lap used to always be the qualifying lap (except where the weather interfered)....therefore the fastest driver was that one who qualified first! :P

[Glen]

Yes - the fastest over one lap, which is irrelevant because F1 isn't a one lap competition.

[DougK]

With hardly any overtaking it is important. If you start first you stand the most chance of winning
Winning a race does not prove you are the fastest - just indicates you have the best car and stragety on the day IMO.

[Red]

"Winning a race does not prove you are the fastest - just indicates you have the best car and stragety on the day".. Should I cry or should I laugh?