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Only allow rear-wheel-drive sedans?
You HAVE TO race a sedan that is available for sale with RWD like an Alfa Romeo Giulia, Jaguar XE, Kia Stinger or Mercedes C63 or you can't race at all. Simple. The stick of "if you don't do this, you *can't* race" will give teams the kickalong to fund their homologations, regardless of a lack of factory sponsorship. Funny that only allowing Australian-made rear wheel drive sedans was OK before, but somehow *only* allowing rear-wheel-drive sedans is no longer OK? What the heck is all that about!? |
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23 Aug 2017, 00:23 (Ref:3761046) | #29 | |
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Exactly. Relevant available performance RWD sedans:
The Ford Falcon, Nissan Altima and Holden Insignia / Commodore are nowhere to be seen on this list so they should be out. No ifs, no buts. Ford Mustang has the wrong number of doors, so it is also out of the question. |
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23 Aug 2017, 00:28 (Ref:3761049) | #30 | ||
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Holden, Ford -- out and good riddance(?). Nissan would continue via the Infiniti brand which does sell a compliant RWD performance sedan for homologation. |
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23 Aug 2017, 03:50 (Ref:3761069) | #32 | ||
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I couldn't agree more Damien. People sit and complain about the loss of the Holden V8. While I dislike it, I'll still watch V8s as its a necessary change, I don't think it will be forever (remember the Ford FG was a majority 6 cylinder brand, very few XR8's) I hate that we have also lost Ford and Holden, we have lost our identity. But if running a 6 cylinder Holden against a V8 Ford and Nissan is what keeps the category alive, then I cant complain, it may only be 5 odd years and then they decide to re-introduce the V8, the Ford XF, EA never had a factory V8 that I am aware of, then the EB followed and the V8 returned (most likely due to popularity). I think it'll be the same case now. Australia's industry is gone (unfortunately) and we as fans need to suck it up if we want Australian Motorsport to survive. Now, to the whole idea of people not turning up to events and the numbers of fans are falling. Rubbish. How many times has Bathurst broke a record in the last few years, 14,15 and I am not sure about 16. Why were V8s nominated for the Logies if the series was dying (bad example I know, but a failure wouldn't get that far) For me, I go to what I can, I went to QR, but due to other commitments I couldn't go to Townsville and anywhere outside QLD. I plan to go to the Gold Coast event, but again that's a matter of having the time. When I am not at an event, I watch it on TV, given the views V8s get (The whole Foxtel excuse it getting old) it would be enough to nail most other 'popular' shows on TV |
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Not quite record breaking in 2015, though I am sure I heard it on the broadcast in 2015
2012: http://www.speedcafe.com/2012/10/07/...ge-attendance/ 2015:http://www.westernadvocate.com.au/st...bathurst-1000/ 2016: http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/10/11/...bathurst-1000/ Here is the amount of people coming in to events yearly. As you can see, the worst year was 2015, every other year the numbers have been fairly equal, with no real downfalls. Last year in fact was equal or roundabout to 12 years ago, which says that the series isn't dying like some clowns think. Its going fairly strong. 2015 also if I remember correctly had a increase in ticket prices, which would explain the lack of attendance, and then the prices dropped again for 2016, the numbers go back up. http://www.austadiums.com/sport/sport.php?sid=8 I see lots of articles from 2015, people complaining about Foxtel, yet no evidence to back up the claims that V8 Supercars went to all new low records, there was evidently a slight fall but not as major as the daily telegraph and media from overseas reported. Last year was one of the higher ratings, this year must be just as good. We sit here and argue why V8s are on Foxtel, that is to do with 7, it was common knowledge in 2014 that V8s wouldn't have had funding to run through 15 under 7, they went to Fox, and now its stabilised again, teams, officials and Fox are working on more free to air broadcasting |
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23 Aug 2017, 08:34 (Ref:3761114) | #35 | ||
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You do realise those crowd figures are released by Supercars themselves right?
They should be taken with as many grains of salt as an NRL-announced crowd from ANZ Stadium. It's not in the promoters interests to advertise crowds getting smaller, is it. Quote:
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23 Aug 2017, 08:38 (Ref:3761117) | #36 | ||
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That's not what many teams were saying. I know that even PRA were concerned about the whole 7 issue. Also, what was 7's main focus (in winter). Stinking football. In summer it was tennis. V8s are better off with Fox, I don't like the reduced coverage but look at the expansions that has happened since they joined Fox. Superutes, Supercars academy next year, introduction of Formula 4 and the other series. More things are available to fans now in shops, I don't know about others but were I live, you can walk into a shop and it has more V8 things in it. |
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23 Aug 2017, 08:41 (Ref:3761118) | #37 | ||
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Ha ha at your supercars going along fine comment, In your words utter rubbish 3 cars had handed back there licence to make a field of 25 in 2014, Most teams were struggling financially as a result. Im not sure you have any basis to say "fine". |
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They were better off just admitting they took the bigger cheque! Crying poor as the reason for taking a primarily-pay TV deal over the FTA deal was a card to play. Quote:
Formula 4 was coming no matter what happened with the Supercars TV deal. Supercars 'academies' have been around for decades, 20 years ago we had the "Holden Young Lions" and Ford's "Generation XR" program Quote:
Maybe go back and read up on the summer of 1979/80 in touring car land, if the Championship survived that, then it can survive justabout anything. |
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Anyone who says the crowd has been bigger than 2012, clearly wasn't there in the following years.
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At any point we are talking about Supercars and it is much bigger than the championship, it has all these major crowd attending events. big teams If Supercars dies then mainstream motorsport in Australia dies. the people stop attending and it becomes a niche sport for people to race there cars, sort of like the Shannons National events. |
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I would have thought 2006 was the biggest in recent history, there were a number of people there. But in general Bathurst and the other two enduro's seem to be going from strength to strength on TV and crown attendance
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You need a couple of million dollars of operational expenditure (ie. sponsorship) per car to be half competitive, which makes a 350k dividend per annum per racing entitlement contract for the foxtel deal head-scratching from a 'commercial' perspective.
The deal simply screws legitimate team sponsors, which you would assume is of greatest importance to a teams survival. Broadcast hours on FTA and demographic reach is what sponsors are after, and if they aren't going to get it from supercars they'll pack their bags and go elsewhere. I've worked in the field of sponsorship for a long time and I can assure you, under market contraction if you give a sponsor a tangible excuse to quit, they will. |
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Name a big name sport that looks after other people outside their own. I think V8s and the 12 hour is a good thing, yes it was messy, but the previous owners really shouldn't have banned V8 drivers, that was uncalled for, were they worried about domination from V8 Drivers (this year with Lowndes/Whincup, last year with SVG/Webb)
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23 Aug 2017, 12:03 (Ref:3761167) | #47 | ||
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I can only see what's being quoted, but Jesus Christ...
As per the topic, I think Supercars really needs to gear itself towards being sustainable without manufacturer involvement. |
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