IMSA DPi Discussion - Page 100

HORNDAWG · 10 Mar 2017, 04:58 (Ref:3717672)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Yes it is equal and doesn't matter because of that. But your argument is like saying, yes that is brown water coming out of my tap, but it comes out of the tap of everybody in my town so why care? Well if you know the next town over has clean clear water, you would care about your brown water!

And yes that was an analogy for tires!

What a load of brown water.

It is more like having good municipal tap water vs truck delivered Mt. Spring Water.

Both are good potable examples of H²O but one is preferred by some more than the other.

L.P.

FormulaFox · 10 Mar 2017, 10:51 (Ref:3717724)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

What a load of brown water.

It is more like having good municipal tap water vs truck delivered Mt. Spring Water.

Both are good potable examples of H²O but one is preferred by some more than the other.

L.P.

It's a bit more than a matter of mere personal preference as there is quite a visible performance gap between Conti and Dunlop - while the Contis certainly do the job sufficiently there is a significant decrease in quality.

Thus, it would be more apt to say that the "brown water" is perfectly suitable for human consumption, it just tastes like it shouldn't be - the brown water does the job of water sufficiently, but there is a significant decrease in quality.

Akrapovic · 10 Mar 2017, 11:33 (Ref:3717732)

I'd argue from the Daytona performance that the tyres were certainly not fit for human consumption. The wet tyres are particularly abysmal.

RWill2073 · 10 Mar 2017, 12:47 (Ref:3717742)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

Ummm ... what tires was it you think the GTD cars were running?

The tires that kept blowing over and over all race for them? I guess the prototypes got sick from the brown water but didn't always have to go to the doctor as it ran it's course after a few laps while the gtd's often got so sick from the brown water they had to go to the doctor to get treated.

Matt · 10 Mar 2017, 13:43 (Ref:3717758)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

It's a bit more than a matter of mere personal preference as there is quite a visible performance gap between Conti and Dunlop - while the Contis certainly do the job sufficiently there is a significant decrease in quality.

Thus, it would be more apt to say that the "brown water" is perfectly suitable for human consumption, it just tastes like it shouldn't be - the brown water does the job of water sufficiently, but there is a significant decrease in quality.

It would be one thing if they raced against each other head to head, but they don't.

Matt · 10 Mar 2017, 13:44 (Ref:3717759)

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Originally Posted by RWill2073

Joeb answered you more cleverly, but when cars can't turn and prototypes are being passed by gtd cars as they're running off the road in the turns because of crap tires, which then led to an esm car wrecking out from the lead lap and 2nd place, I might start to care about the crap tires.

I'm not talking about the wets in this instance.

Maelochs · 10 Mar 2017, 13:50 (Ref:3717761)

Of course, we all realize the issue with the Wet tires is that the track wasn't wet on the banking but was in the infield. Not sure any manufacturer makes a tire which works in the dry at 200 mph and equally well in the wet at half that speed.

RWill2073 · 10 Mar 2017, 13:53 (Ref:3717764)

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Originally Posted by Matt

I'm not talking about the wets in this instance.

Well I don't see any point in distinguishing between wet and dry when both are embarrassingly inferior. My point was that a spec tire doesn't matter so much, but continuing to allow a spec tire to be awful is. And if we agree that continental needs to do some development to their rain tire, then while they're at it they could go ahead and improve their clearly inferior dry tire too, right?

Matt · 10 Mar 2017, 14:01 (Ref:3717769)

they don't need to do anything with the dry tire though.

if it were competing against dunlop or michelin is one thing, but it isn't. how can something be inferior if it is the only allowed tire?

chernaudi · 10 Mar 2017, 14:07 (Ref:3717773)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

Of course, we all realize the issue with the Wet tires is that the track wasn't wet on the banking but was in the infield. Not sure any manufacturer makes a tire which works in the dry at 200 mph and equally well in the wet at half that speed.

You seem to be forgetting Michelin's slick treaded intermediate tires used in the WEC. But that's for a damp or drying track/mixed dry and wet, not full wet or full dry.

Coach Ep · 10 Mar 2017, 14:10 (Ref:3717775)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

Thus, it would be more apt to say that the "brown water" is perfectly suitable for human consumption, it just tastes like it shouldn't be - the brown water does the job of water sufficiently, but there is a significant decrease in quality.

I'd bet you can make a nice stout or porter out of it!

RWill2073 · 10 Mar 2017, 14:40 (Ref:3717784)

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Originally Posted by Matt

they don't need to do anything with the dry tire though.

if it were competing against dunlop or michelin is one thing, but it isn't. how can something be inferior if it is the only allowed tire?

When it is common knowledge that it is seconds (not tenths) slower than other tires on the same car at the same track?

Akrapovic · 10 Mar 2017, 14:40 (Ref:3717785)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

Of course, we all realize the issue with the Wet tires is that the track wasn't wet on the banking but was in the infield. Not sure any manufacturer makes a tire which works in the dry at 200 mph and equally well in the wet at half that speed.

Michelin.

When the circuit was fully wet, the tyres were still taking 10 laps to come up to temperature. If it was too dry for the wets they would overheat. These are 2 different issues.

Matt · 10 Mar 2017, 14:45 (Ref:3717787)

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Originally Posted by RWill2073

When it is common knowledge that it is seconds (not tenths) slower than other tires on the same car at the same track?

Yeah, but it's not competing against them, so how does it make it inferior if they're not in direct on-track competition?

Everyone's got the same tire, everyone is going the same speed with that tire. It is a control part. If one team was running a set of Dunlops then there would be an issue.

FLGTFAN · 10 Mar 2017, 15:24 (Ref:3717789)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Yeah, but it's not competing against them, so how does it make it inferior if they're not in direct on-track competition?

Everyone's got the same tire, everyone is going the same speed with that tire. It is a control part. If one team was running a set of Dunlops then there would be an issue.

Yah, but... control part... Pathetic.

MoMedic9019 · 10 Mar 2017, 15:29 (Ref:3717791)

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Originally Posted by carbsmith

I think they'll be aware somehow.

This is fake news.

MoMedic9019 · 10 Mar 2017, 15:30 (Ref:3717793)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

That wasn't even remotely related to anything I said. If you're going to try and summarize what someone said, please actually take the time to read the post first.

Take your own advice. I said at the bottom... that was MY take. Your post is long, and rambling. If you insist on writing that much, put a TL;DR paragraph at the bottom to summarize what you are speaking about.

FormulaFox · 10 Mar 2017, 20:27 (Ref:3717878)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Take your own advice. I said at the bottom... that was MY take. Your post is long, and rambling. If you insist on writing that much, put a TL;DR paragraph at the bottom to summarize what you are speaking about.

I did read your entire post. Calling it "your take" doesn't mean anything when said take has absolutely no relation to what was said - it just shows you didn't bother to read before posting.

TL;DR is nothing more than laziness. It does nothing to help put forth the point trying to be made. The post was long and "rambling" because it needed to be to clearly outline the point. If you don't like reading such posts, then fine - don't read them. But if you're not going to read such a post, don't reply as if you did.

Now unless you'd like to discuss what I actually said in the original post, I suggest we move on, stay on topic, and not get into another pointless p***ing contest.

Matt · 10 Mar 2017, 20:29 (Ref:3717880)

oh my god

fieldodreams79 · 10 Mar 2017, 21:27 (Ref:3717893)

TL;DR is new terminology for me but applies to most IMSA thread posts ever.

Dyson Mazda · 10 Mar 2017, 22:00 (Ref:3717896)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Michelin.

When the circuit was fully wet, the tyres were still taking 10 laps to come up to temperature. If it was too dry for the wets they would overheat. These are 2 different issues.

Apparently their rain tires, which were club tires, were crap as well at the Rolex according to a lot of the GTLM drivers

RWill2073 · 11 Mar 2017, 01:03 (Ref:3717915)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

TL;DR is new terminology for me but applies to most IMSA thread posts ever.

Maybe some here could start using ii;nda

godlameroso · 11 Mar 2017, 04:09 (Ref:3717924)

Speaking of rain tires, my weather simulations have it with a chance of rain towards the end of the race. Wouldn't that be fun, a nice little downpour with 20 minutes to go, cars pirouetting in the darkness.

HORNDAWG · 11 Mar 2017, 04:17 (Ref:3717925)

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Originally Posted by Matt

It would be one thing if they raced against each other head to head, but they don't.

Zactly!

L.P.

DeezPutz · 11 Mar 2017, 11:53 (Ref:3717966)

It's pretty obvious a control tire is holding the protoyotpe class back in IMSA. The dozens of prototype teams in WEC is evidence of this.

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