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You are here: news.com.au Sport Motorsport V8 Supercars motorsport LATEST IN MOTORSPORT Live Bathurst: Luff, Lowndes in huge crash V8 Supercars - Bathurst 1000: Practice & Top 10 Shootout 1 video Video: Crash puts HRT car out of Bathurst V8 Supercars - Bathurst 1000: Practice & Top 10 Shootout 1 video Dazzling Hamilton back on top F1 Grand Prix of Russia - Practice 1 video Red Bull didn’t try to keep Vettel F1 Grand Prix of Russia - Previews 1 video Bathurst 1000 2014: Ford to be killed off V8 Supercars circuit at end of 2015, ending iconic rivalry with Holden 2 DAYS AGO OCTOBER 10, 2014 11:49AM Video Image Ford's glorious history http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/e...n47vz9c5xuj3mc FORD is dead, according to high level V8 Supercars officials, with Australia’s greatest sporting rivalry to be killed off by the end of next year. In a Bathurst bombshell delivered on the week the last GT Falcon was built, The Daily Telegraph can reveal Ford are set to axe V8 Supercars from their $60 million sponsorship war chest in a move that will end iconic Ford v Holden Mount Panorama racing war. With the Falcon already dead and waiting to be buried, V8 officials have been told Ford will officially quit the sport at the end of the year and will not renew a multi-million dollar year deal with reigning Bathurst champions Ford Performance Racing (FPR). READ THE FULL STORY AT THE DAILY TELEGRAPH MORE: FORD’S DEPARTURE IS A DISASTER — DICK JOHNSON MORE: FORD’S FIVE GREATEST BATHURST MOMENTS Will Ford's departure from V8s ruin the sport? Yes No VoteView Results Tim Edwards denies Ford is abandoning V8 Supercars . Last edited by bluesport; 11 Oct 2014 at 05:53. |
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OK - so the poll is nothing at all to do with running the Mustang (or not).
It'll be a great shame if the article is correct and Ford does pull out as a sponsor (as the teams have confirmed they'll still be running Fords next year). From the article, it sounds like V8s have been meeting for Ford management & no doubt many things were discussed, whether running the Mustang was one of those things, we don't know at this stage. |
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Engine is a harder one - there's a part of me that would like to see the V8s remain the power plant needed - it just gives the race cars a little bit of mongrel and edge in my view. Problem is going to be that the motor industry is producing less V8s so manufacturers may question the relevance to their products. I would think that if other engine types are going to be part of it, the tech rules are going to need some serious work and air restrictors may well be the go out of a commonly located air box. I have to say that my preference is to stay V8 (pushrod or not) but the time may come to change - the big question is whether or not that should be 2016. |
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GM, M-B, Chrysler & Ford are all heavily committed to V8s in their road cars so for the medium term, that may be enough. On the other hand, look at Volvo - running in the series and using the V8 race car heavily in their marketing for non V8 road cars - they've certainly done WAY more leveraging of the V8 racing than Ford have done in years. So the race cars have some relevance to road cars, all good. To me the big doubt is over what impact the new TV deal might have on demographics and exposure, I see that as a far bigger risk than coupe bodies or not, V8 engines or not. |
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Some quotes direct from Ford - neither in nor out is the short version, decision after this season:http://www.speedcafe.com/2014/10/11/...passion-rises/
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Grid sizes have gotten smaller though, and Ford are leaving (so this thread title suggests), question mark over holden after 2017, Betty could get sick of pouring her own money down the supercar drain...........ie the category could have eight manufacturers but still only have sixteen cars on the grid..........I'm just not sure that the category is as healthy as the spin doctors like to pretend it is.
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So Ford are showing off their new XR8 Falcon at the mount this weekend no doubt leveraging their past history at Bathurst and yet they're planning on bailing out with no thought to the future.
Pretty poor form if you ask me-and if any other manufacturer did that I'd say the same thing |
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You had Volvo leveraging it last year with Richo in an S60 doing parade laps and not only was Volvo not in the series at the time, they had a grand total of just 3 works attacks on Bathurst in the history of the event (1986, 1997 and 1998) |
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Volvo was coming into the series the next year as opposed to leaving it
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The fact that Graziano is stating that they are still in negotiations with the teams would suggest something is going on, could be dollars, vehicle model choice etc. Penske involvement may also mean a change in support back to that team again.
I'd like to remain positive and keep supporting the brand as long as they are in the game. |
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There were quite a few XR8's just laying around in the carpark at Bathurst.. Amazing just how many fans were taking pics of them
Ford should find it hard to remove support with a fresh Bathurst win under their belt. Stranger things have happened though |
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Ford going nowhere
It seems the title of this thread needs to be changed: http://www.speedcafe.com/2014/10/13/...hurst-triumph/
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Edwards playing with words. Yes they'll receive support from Ford by way of panels etc for the new car. Whether that translates into actual financial support remains to be seen.
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Yesterdays result can't hurt the cause.........if Ford don't want to be involved after that effort, then they really should sit back and take stock of themselves because something is wrong.
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Unfortunately history has shown us that Ford have some weird and for the most insipid marketing strategies. They have rarely built on the success in V8 Supercars that they have enjoyed unlike Holden who seem to be a bit better at it.
Even the colour of the XR8 they chose to lap at Bathurst was a poor choice, IMO. Black and brown? C'mon... |
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I would call it gold, and some people like that colour. It was the 'hero' colour of a Commodore going back a bit.
I have to admit that the Ford Australia marketing would have to be the worst in the Ford world, if not the entire automotive world. Just totally abysmal. However, they are aware of the benefits of V8 Supercar participation and the brand loyalty it promotes. And just by being involved and letting the results speak for themselves is nine tenths of the equation. Even if their future official involvement is minimal, the Ford versus Holden battle will go on into the future. |
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I find it hard to believe that the result of one motor race (no matter how big) will influence the decision.
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Agreed - one result isnt going to change the direction of a national marketing and brand strategy.
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That's a good point. The person/people in the states that are making the call probably aren't even aware it was on....
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