LM24 Will Mazda ever consider another go at Le Mans with a wankel?

trahsub · 6 Feb 2010, 03:41 (Ref:2627709)

I was watching old clips of the 787B and I love how this thing sounds. Are rotary engines banned from the race for good?

The Badger · 6 Feb 2010, 08:46 (Ref:2627751)

No ..... unfortunatly they cant cuz some bright spark has outlawed the engine for Le Mans , along with V10 & V12 too !!!

Banned with the presant rules , yes .

However , I would like to see said persons placed against a wall and beaten to sense with a baseball bat . I want first go too .

GTfour · 6 Feb 2010, 13:23 (Ref:2627849)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

No ..... unfortunatly they cant cuz some bright spark has outlawed the engine for Le Mans , along with V10 & V12 too !!!

The base for this utter nonsensicle idea is to be found in the whole CO2 hype ofcourse and since this is getting to be known as a political scheme more and more every day,I'm not afraid of them banning V10's,V12's and rotary's for ever.

ensign14 · 6 Feb 2010, 13:49 (Ref:2627857)

If Ralf Schumacher does indeed sign for StefanGP, then no.

nobster · 6 Feb 2010, 18:28 (Ref:2627969)

man loved that enginesound, hope ther will be one at the grp C support race this year.

GTfour · 7 Feb 2010, 02:02 (Ref:2628289)

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Originally Posted by nobster

man loved that enginesound, hope ther will be one at the grp C support race this year.

There's good chance of that. In all,Mazda have build many rotary group C cars. In both C1 and C2 categories.

chernaudi · 7 Feb 2010, 10:07 (Ref:2628424)

I don't believe that the rotory engine was banned(the Mazda powered Courage from the ALMS in '05 and '06 was an LMP2 car, and LMP2 engines are supposed to be the basis for the post 2011 LMP1 engines).

However, I doubt that the rotory engine will see serious use in an LMP car anytime soon, as they're not really competitive under the current rules-low torque and the chassis has to be almost purpose built for the Wankel or else the design will have too many comporimises(the Courage LMP2 Mazda was overweight, as the C65 LMP2 and the Courage/Pescarolo C60 Hybrid shared the same tub, and was built as a LMP900/LMP1 chassis, and due to the extra cooling that the rotory engine needed).

lemansfan · 7 Feb 2010, 12:32 (Ref:2628504)

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Originally Posted by nobster

man loved that enginesound, hope ther will be one at the grp C support race this year.

http://s3b.directupload.net/file/d/2063/hm4ey6cr_jpg

The Sound of the Mazda Rotary Engine was almost bodily harm

protopuma · 7 Feb 2010, 12:34 (Ref:2628505)

I would love to see Mazda run either a turbocharged direct injected rotary, or one running a wave pressure supercharger. Would help with the torque deficit, and it would allow the engine to maximize its advantage over poppet valve engines.

Parramatta_Power · 14 Feb 2010, 11:44 (Ref:2633188)

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Originally Posted by GTfour

The base for this utter nonsensicle idea is to be found in the whole CO2 hype ofcourse and since this is getting to be known as a political scheme more and more every day,I'm not afraid of them banning V10's,V12's and rotary's for ever.

Those Fudge-ruckers...

Competition, atleats in the Motorsport world adds variety and therefore more interest... Rotaries as mentiooned by previous posts abaove have a tremendous noise, they don't hold back that's for sure but on a serious note, how would Mazda make up for the Torque issue considered its restricted abit. I doubt they would be competitive.

JAG · 14 Feb 2010, 15:51 (Ref:2633256)

If it wasn't for the restrictor formula every car would have been running a turbo for the past 15 years.

GTfour · 15 Feb 2010, 17:52 (Ref:2633911)

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Originally Posted by Parramatta_Power

how would Mazda make up for the Torque issue considered its restricted abit. I doubt they would be competitive.

Quite right you are. The last time the Jim Downing outfit ran a rotary at Le Mans,it actually used one of the '91 4 rotors. Sadly,apart from the usuall aural sensation and one of the best exhaustflames I've ever seen on a car,it didn't even qualify as a finisher. The restrictors literally choked this type of engine.
About this exhaust flame,this only dissapeared when the car shifted! Too mad. I remember the single upwardly angled exhaust spuwing this bleu at the base,orange at the top conical shaped flame. Like a giant steelcutting torch!

Mike E · 17 Apr 2010, 22:21 (Ref:2674509)

Mazda have canned the RX-8 because it won't meet future emissions regs so the rotary is dead for now. Too bad.

Andy77 · 18 Apr 2010, 05:59 (Ref:2674626)

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Originally Posted by lemansfan

http://s3b.directupload.net/file/d/2063/hm4ey6cr_jpg

The Sound of the Mazda Rotary Engine was almost bodily harm

Wasn't it the engine that caused Volker Weidler's tinnitus?

GT6 · 19 Apr 2010, 16:51 (Ref:2675963)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

Mazda have canned the RX-8 because it won't meet future emissions regs so the rotary is dead for now. Too bad.

I was not aware the RX8 was dead!

Steve Tarrant · 20 Apr 2010, 07:51 (Ref:2676355)

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Originally Posted by GT6

I was not aware the RX8 was dead!

From Topix.com:-

Thursday Apr 15 | Posted by: roboblogger
Mazda RX-8 will be pulled from the European market

Full story: AutoSpies
According to the latest reports from Auto Motor und Sport Sweden, it appears that the Mazda RX-8 will be pulled out from the European market due to the fact that the model is too expensive and cannot meet the Euro 5 standards.

GT6 · 20 Apr 2010, 08:11 (Ref:2676366)

That is a great shame, a very different car that gave us a different powerplant and a novel body configeration.

Mike E · 21 Apr 2010, 18:47 (Ref:2677467)

Some more details on the RX-8's unfortunate demise:

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/248910/

GT6 · 21 Apr 2010, 19:00 (Ref:2677472)

At least the artical seems to indicate that the company has not given up on the rotary engine and a new generation of RX sportscars is planned.

GTfour · 1 May 2010, 11:51 (Ref:2682663)

"and cannot meet the Euro 5 standards."

Another reason to thoroughly hate/despise the environmental extremists of the EU. Lying their heads of,waisting many billions on a fictive so called 'CO2 threat' and now blocking us europeans from one of the finest and technologically advanced engines.

dxk1 · 1 May 2010, 22:07 (Ref:2682897)

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Originally Posted by GTfour

Another reason to thoroughly hate/despise the environmental extremists of the EU. Lying their heads of,waisting many billions on a fictive so called 'CO2 threat' and now blocking us europeans from one of the finest and technologically advanced engines.

I can't believe you have anything but the utmost respect for these wonderful individuals who would like to reintroduce horse-drawn buggies, sail-boats and air-ships.

DK

broadrun96 · 2 May 2010, 00:07 (Ref:2682921)

Think they would prefer balloons, could sit in the basket and talk about how great they are for saving the planet and fill the bag in seconds. Only problem is could they stop congratulating themselves long enough to ever come back down again? And would we want them too?

GTfour · 2 May 2010, 02:10 (Ref:2682959)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

Think they would prefer balloons, could sit in the basket and talk about how great they are for saving the planet and fill the bag in seconds. Only problem is could they stop congratulating themselves long enough to ever come back down again? And would we want them too?

Nope!

Félix · 2 May 2010, 02:19 (Ref:2682964)

There's a future RX7 coming with a new "16X" engine, maybe with forced injection. So it's not dead, no.

Birddog07 · 2 May 2010, 12:39 (Ref:2683166)

I hope they do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox2wg...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1BWv...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4f0-U81YiY

What is this sexy machine all about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Xl0...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ5EAbnr8S4

Tell me Mazda didn't build that with Le Mans in mind. Imagine Dyson running 2 of those in 2011? Now theres a wet dream.

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