Alonso to Red Bull in 2014?

**bjohnsonsmith** · 29 Jul 2013, 14:59 (Ref:3283347)

According to this Autosport article, secret talks between Alonos's management and Red Bull took place at last weekend's Hungarian GP.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109079

Knowlesy · 29 Jul 2013, 15:14 (Ref:3283349)

Secret.

chillibowl · 29 Jul 2013, 16:10 (Ref:3283366)

some clever gamesmanship going on? perhaps a little payback for the head games Alonso's tried to play last year.

seriously though, at what point does Alonso start thinking that his tenure at Ferrari has fallen drastically short of what he had hoped or envisioned?

**Peter Mallett** · 29 Jul 2013, 16:32 (Ref:3283373)

Hmm. http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/mon...-doesnt-sit-me

**Bononi** · 29 Jul 2013, 16:37 (Ref:3283376)

I have to see that happen...

jsTrecu · 29 Jul 2013, 17:27 (Ref:3283392)

Alonso unhappy, Montezemolo criticizing him for his coments, the rumors about him moving to RedBull....
It's a bit exagerated obviouly and the problems are probably not as bad as they seem to be, but seeing Fernando "the master of the mind games" in this mess makes me smile a little bit I must admit.

I wonder what are the tifosi thinking now, or who are they blaming.

Biscuits In A Red Bull · 29 Jul 2013, 17:39 (Ref:3283396)

Alonso and Vettel will be worse than when it was with Hamilton. Vettel is RBR no.1, Alonso will not accept anything other than no.1, and they'll ruin each other. As much as Kimi isn't clear no.1 at Lotus, he won't like having his talent (far greater than Vettel's) being ignored by Red Bull. That's why I think Ricciardo will get the drive. And RBR don't seem to like Vergne. His driving is more mature than Ricciardo anyway.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 29 Jul 2013, 18:36 (Ref:3283419)

Montezemolo gives Alonso a slapped wrist for his comments.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109095

chillibowl · 29 Jul 2013, 18:58 (Ref:3283427)

does anyone know what Alonso said?

Teretonga · 29 Jul 2013, 19:23 (Ref:3283437)

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Originally Posted by chillibowl

does anyone know what Alonso said?

The media asked him what he would like for his birthday and he said "a faster car...."

Like an RBR......?

chillibowl · 29 Jul 2013, 19:35 (Ref:3283440)

ah because montezemolo already asked for that for his bday.

i get it now!

Razzzor · 29 Jul 2013, 22:20 (Ref:3283483)

Alonso has always bad mouthed his own team and constantly reminds everyone that the Ferrari is slower than everyone else. If I were Montezemelo I'd have been having a word with him long ago. You're supposed to talk your team up. Rich businessmen looking to buy a supercar don't need to hear that Ferrari cannot build a car that's as good as Mercedes or McLaren, or even an energy drink company.

I can see his point of view though, the car started out very good but has lost pace to the others and another title slip away, and his ego is bigger than Ferrari. He hasn't denied these rumours. Did he start them, since he likes attacking Seb and it would make sense to put some worry into his team. I wouldn't be surprised.

But I don't think he'd go to RB, because he'd never be the clear #1. There's no reason for him to be #1 from RB's point of view. He'd be on a massive contract, but would he actually beat the 4-times champion Vettel? I'd perhaps bet on Vettel, Alonso's getting a bit old now, and even Vettel's now at a point where it seems Webber just can't beat him. Even if Alonso could beat him, it probably wouldn't be in their first year, as Vettel will have that RB built around him, so he'd be looking at 2015. That would be his 14th season in F1... he's not fresh anymore.

I don't think RB or Vettel will have started the rumour. They don't need to play mind games with Alonso, his car isn't threatening them anymore. They'd be better off looking at Hamilton now, that Merc is getting good and he was dominant at Hungary, a place where they were supposed to struggle.

It's probably just the media pushing these rumours. I'd be astounded if Alonso signed for RB.

Paradise City · 29 Jul 2013, 22:40 (Ref:3283499)

He's not old OK but he's not young either, he's getting flak from an Italian media that never lets up, Ferrari can't quite pull it all together over a few years now so I'm not surprised he's getting restless.

I still expect he'll stay at Ferrari in the end though.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 29 Jul 2013, 23:00 (Ref:3283508)

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Originally Posted by Razzzor

Alonso has always bad mouthed his own team and constantly reminds everyone that the Ferrari is slower than everyone else. If I were Montezemelo I'd have been having a word with him long ago. You're supposed to talk your team up. Rich businessmen looking to buy a supercar don't need to hear that Ferrari cannot build a car that's as good as Mercedes or McLaren, or even an energy drink company.

I can see his point of view though, the car started out very good but has lost pace to the others and another title slip away, and his ego is bigger than Ferrari. He hasn't denied these rumours. Did he start them, since he likes attacking Seb and it would make sense to put some worry into his team. I wouldn't be surprised.

But I don't think he'd go to RB, because he'd never be the clear #1. There's no reason for him to be #1 from RB's point of view. He'd be on a massive contract, but would he actually beat the 4-times champion Vettel? I'd perhaps bet on Vettel, Alonso's getting a bit old now, and even Vettel's now at a point where it seems Webber just can't beat him. Even if Alonso could beat him, it probably wouldn't be in their first year, as Vettel will have that RB built around him, so he'd be looking at 2015. That would be his 14th season in F1... he's not fresh anymore.

I don't think RB or Vettel will have started the rumour. They don't need to play mind games with Alonso, his car isn't threatening them anymore. They'd be better off looking at Hamilton now, that Merc is getting good and he was dominant at Hungary, a place where they were supposed to struggle.

It's probably just the media pushing these rumours. I'd be astounded if Alonso signed for RB.

What about a swap, it's been rumoured that Vettel might go to Ferrari?

wnut · 29 Jul 2013, 23:15 (Ref:3283521)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

What about a swap, it's been rumoured that Vettel might go to Ferrari?

If I was RBR I would be very unhappy with that deal BJ!

**bjohnsonsmith** · 29 Jul 2013, 23:19 (Ref:3283523)

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Originally Posted by wnut

If I was RBR I would be very unhappy with that deal BJ!

Just throwing it out there wnut but stranger things have happened in F1.

PepsiVodka · 29 Jul 2013, 23:19 (Ref:3283524)

If he's still happy with Ferrari (said in article) then it would take a juicy hell of a deal for him to be second driver beside Vettel. I'm happy that even though the car isn't a WDC or WCC car he's still not dragging down his team as much as last year.

Razzzor · 29 Jul 2013, 23:42 (Ref:3283537)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

What about a swap, it's been rumoured that Vettel might go to Ferrari?

I don't know why Vettel would want to go to Ferrari, especially if knowing Alonso will replace him at RB. He can say goodbye to his dominance if he does that.

I guess Hamilton did something similar, this year, but I wonder if Hamilton had some insider info as we now see Mercedes much faster than McLaren. And he wasn't able to win the title with Mclaren for a long time.

Schumacher did it in 1996, but he was the undoubted best in F1 at that stage, and doing a swap with Berger and Alesi... and those two are no Fernando Alonso.

Armco Bender · 30 Jul 2013, 00:18 (Ref:3283549)

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Montezemolo gives Alonso a slapped wrist for his comments.

........"I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse"

Teretonga · 30 Jul 2013, 00:22 (Ref:3283552)

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Originally Posted by Razzzor

I don't know why Vettel would want to go to Ferrari, especially if knowing Alonso will replace him at RB. He can say goodbye to his dominance if he does that.

I guess Hamilton did something similar, this year, but I wonder if Hamilton had some insider info as we now see Mercedes much faster than McLaren. And he wasn't able to win the title with Mclaren for a long time.

Schumacher did it in 1996, but he was the undoubted best in F1 at that stage, and doing a swap with Berger and Alesi... and those two are no Fernando Alonso.

Alison has become the chassis engineering chief at Ferrari. Alonso rates him because he engineered him during his two world championships at Renault and worked at Ferrari 2000-2004 during their dominance.
He was a major influence at what is now Lotus over the last two years.

Now he's back at Ferrari
Alonso says he's one of the best people in the sport at his job so why would he now leave? Its all garbage.
A Ferrari resurgence is on its way.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 30 Jul 2013, 00:22 (Ref:3283553)

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Originally Posted by Armco Bender

........"I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse"

A prancing horses head?

Armco Bender · 30 Jul 2013, 01:19 (Ref:3283563)

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A prancing horses head?

..

.....or sleeping with the fishes.

F1Pete · 30 Jul 2013, 01:40 (Ref:3283569)

I am still saddened over Lotus' loss of JA to Ferrari.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 30 Jul 2013, 01:46 (Ref:3283572)

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Originally Posted by F1Pete

I am still saddened over Lotus' loss of JA to Ferrari.

They made him an offer, he couldn't refuse.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 30 Jul 2013, 01:47 (Ref:3283574)

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Originally Posted by Armco Bender

..

.....or sleeping with the fishes.

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