BTCC 2010 rumour mill - Page 47

PDS · 20 Mar 2010, 20:06 (Ref:2656781)

I understand Dynamics have done wonders with the Civic over the winter!

With Matt Neal and Shedden back in the car... you can't rule them out for some wins during 2010.

As for running for the championship? Lets wait and see how they perform.

stedevil · 20 Mar 2010, 21:31 (Ref:2656827)

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Originally Posted by redshoes

From what I've heard you couldn't be more wrong, negotiations started on the basis of Collard being the lead driver.

Whatever you think of him as a driver Collard is very good for the sponsors. On track he's always in the thick of it, which means more TV coverage and thus more exposure for the sponsors. Out of the car he has no problem doing TV interviews (some drivers struggle to string a sentence together on camera) and always got the Airwaves tag-line in.

I'm sure at this point the usual suspects will chime in with a rant about driving standards but that's missing the point.

There are those that say that all publicity is good publicity. There are also those that think that negatively charged publicity is not good. You are a strong believer of the first, but realize the other POV also exists. Once you do, the pattern
Airwaves in -> Airwaves out -> Collard switches team -> Airwaves back in
will not be so strange.

redshoes · 20 Mar 2010, 22:17 (Ref:2656879)

Cue usual suspect number one.

Sorry stedevil, but you are just plain wrong. Airwaves withdrawing sponsorship had nothing to do with Collard, and Airwaves coming back had nothing to do with Collard leaving.

Icebaby · 21 Mar 2010, 06:05 (Ref:2657040)

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Originally Posted by redshoes

Cue usual suspect number one.

Sorry stedevil, but you are just plain wrong. Airwaves withdrawing sponsorship had nothing to do with Collard, and Airwaves coming back had nothing to do with Collard leaving.

Tend to agree although it is strange that airwaves have done a "U Turn" but I dont see this being linked to Collard leaving as Dave Bartrum had announced a while back he had a firm sponser lined up.

Collards a good paying driver and deserves his place on the grid, if he was actually being paid by a team to compete then maybe there's doubt.

Im suprised not all the paying drivers are queueing up for the RML Cruze as its clearly going to be the package to beat.

**touringlegend** · 21 Mar 2010, 07:36 (Ref:2657063)

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Originally Posted by Icebaby

Could it be he's signed but not revealing his hand, that games been played on many occasions with drivers/teams.

Perhaps - the rumours are the Turkington family are no beggars - whether that's true I don't know but having a sponsor to pay your racing is far better than writing the cheques yourself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PDS

I understand Dynamics have done wonders with the Civic over the winter!

With Matt Neal and Shedden back in the car... you can't rule them out for some wins during 2010.

As for running for the championship? Lets wait and see how they perform.

You just know Steve Neal will have bargained some special allowances for the Civic from TOCA.

As for everyone's optimism that the Cruze will walk the championship, I'm not sure. The Dunlop tyres aren't proven on it but RML will presumably work around that pretty quickly. And if McDowell is to be in the second car we'll need to see what he can do in his first BTCC season - Jackson & Plato in the Lacetti last year were a superb pairing.

redshoes · 21 Mar 2010, 08:56 (Ref:2657082)

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Originally Posted by touringlegend

Perhaps - the rumours are the Turkington family are no beggars - whether that's true I don't know

Google "Turkington Holdings"

PDS · 21 Mar 2010, 18:42 (Ref:2657336)

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Originally Posted by touringlegend

Perhaps - the rumours are the Turkington family are no beggars - whether that's true I don't know but having a sponsor to pay your racing is far better than writing the cheques yourself.

Colins dad can afford what WSR need..

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Originally Posted by touringlegend

You just know Steve Neal will have bargained some special allowances for the Civic from TOCA.

Yes, he already has!

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Originally Posted by touringlegend

As for everyone's optimism that the Cruze will walk the championship, I'm not sure. The Dunlop tyres aren't proven on it but RML will presumably work around that pretty quickly. And if McDowell is to be in the second car we'll need to see what he can do in his first BTCC season.

The Cruze is a different beast compared to the Lacetti. I am also lead to believe that it is not running the same engine as it's predecessor. More like a proper S2000 engine as oppossed to the Super Tourer engine used last season...

As for McDowell, when he tested for Airwaves BMW at the end of last year he was as quick as Collard and Adam around Brands.

FBJim · 21 Mar 2010, 18:49 (Ref:2657341)

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Originally Posted by PDS

Colins dad can afford what WSR need..

I don't think Colin will be keen on paying for his ride the season after he won the drivers title.

Alfa Fan · 21 Mar 2010, 18:56 (Ref:2657345)

He'll do what he needs to do. This year there is no shame in privately funding your drive. Not doing anything in 2010 could well do more damage to the Turkington brand than the cost of paying WSR to run the BMW for him.

PDS · 21 Mar 2010, 19:23 (Ref:2657350)

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Originally Posted by FBJim

I don't think Colin will be keen on paying for his ride the season after he won the drivers title.

Which totally explains why he may not have a drive!!!

As Alfa Fan says, there is no shame in privately funding your own drive..

Bottom line is, does it really matter WHO pays for it???

Personally I think he should be out there and am amazed after speaking to him a couple of times that he will not appear..

davyboy · 21 Mar 2010, 20:15 (Ref:2657392)

Well it depends. Would any of us here consider GBP500K of our own money spent on a season of BTCC racing an 'investment' ? What return could we expect on it ? Touring car racing at any level doesn't pay millionaire salaries.

Sodemo · 21 Mar 2010, 21:28 (Ref:2657452)

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Originally Posted by davyboy

Well it depends. Would any of us here consider GBP500K of our own money spent on a season of BTCC racing an 'investment' ? What return could we expect on it ? Touring car racing at any level doesn't pay millionaire salaries.

Is that the going rate for a season of competitive BTCC racing?

Does that include buying the car outright or merely "renting" it off a team?

gregc · 21 Mar 2010, 22:12 (Ref:2657473)

Can't remember where I saw it, but when TOC got the Vauxhall drive in '08 I read somewhere that it cost something between £500-£750k. So yeah, £500k for a competitive season in a "rented" car doesn't sound too far off.

touring fan01 · 21 Mar 2010, 22:25 (Ref:2657483)

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Originally Posted by davyboy

Well it depends. Would any of us here consider GBP500K of our own money spent on a season of BTCC racing an 'investment' ? What return could we expect on it ? Touring car racing at any level doesn't pay millionaire salaries.

If that money is paid by a profitable company then its a 100% tax writeoff for advertising and marketing. So it wouldn't cost Turkington money personally. It would just be less money Turkington Holdings has to pay the tax man for company tax on their profits. Putting Turkington Holdings on the side of the car sounds like a good investment to me and is a lot better than sending that money to Alastair Darling!

Spanner monkey · 21 Mar 2010, 22:27 (Ref:2657485)

rumours about RML charging 40k per race weekend payed up front! No money in the bank the car doesnt leave the workshop! Hence no huge que for chevys although they seem one of the best cars around

trebor901 · 21 Mar 2010, 22:31 (Ref:2657487)

thats £400,000 for a season, surely they wouldnt charge that much if you wanted to do a full season with them would they?

if they're there with the Cruze this year then it will be one of if not the strongest car out there along with the BMW's and Focus' but 400k? is that how much any other team would charge for a season? if it is i can see why people are struggling

PDS · 21 Mar 2010, 23:22 (Ref:2657520)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Is that the going rate for a season of competitive BTCC racing?

NO!

All teams charge differently. None are that much..

Sodemo · 22 Mar 2010, 08:03 (Ref:2657656)

Yea, I remember back in the latter part of the super touring era their cars cost something like £250,000 or was it £450,000? I always get confused between the cost of the then super touring cars and the cost of the World Rally Cars...?

touring fan01 · 22 Mar 2010, 15:15 (Ref:2657858)

Chevy confirms official entry; http://www.btcc.net/html/generalnews_detail.php?id=1847

davyboy · 22 Mar 2010, 15:28 (Ref:2657869)

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Originally Posted by PDS

NO!

All teams charge differently. None are that much..

Ahem... not sure where you're getting your information from but a seat in some teams is costing around the GBP500K mark. I agree that there are plenty of teams that are cheaper than that and some of those may equip you with the chance of getting up front occasionally... but it doesn't get away from the fact that a seat in some teams is around the GBP500K mark.

kezza7 · 22 Mar 2010, 15:57 (Ref:2657884)

RML confirm Plato, Macdowell and Works Chevrolet Cruze.

Tweeted by RML group.

http://www.btcc.net/html/generalnews_detail.php?id=1847

^ sorry, missed that

medius · 22 Mar 2010, 15:57 (Ref:2657886)

The way I'm seeing the RML deal:

Silverline funding Plato
MacDowell funding his own drive
Chevy UK funding RML's costs.

Curious that Chevy UK are now officially involved (as a Manufacturer I presume), when there's no other works competition (unless they're counting Honda Racing/TD).

I can't wait to see what tomorrow brings.

tin-top fan · 22 Mar 2010, 16:00 (Ref:2657889)

what we all expected

Website for the team here: http://www.chevroletbtcc.co.uk/

Craner Curves · 22 Mar 2010, 16:03 (Ref:2657890)

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Originally Posted by medius

The way I'm seeing the RML deal:

MacDowell funding his own drive

Clear to see from the ECM logos on the car. Perhaps Chevrolet UK have struck a deal with Ray MacDowell to use ECM for their vehicle logistics also?

Jamesy-18 · 22 Mar 2010, 16:04 (Ref:2657891)

Whilst I'm delighted by this decision by Chevrolet and it's great to see Plato back again, I'm curious as to why Chevrolet decided to enter as a manfacturer. With no others confirmed (that we know of), I find it a bit strange really. I'm sure the privateers will give them a run for their money though and looking forward to seeing what tomorrow brings!

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