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Old 26 Oct 2017, 10:36 (Ref:3776560)   #451
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Having looked at that table if it had been played out in 2017, I can see the merits for it. Hopefully it will be worth keeping an eye on in 2018
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Old 26 Oct 2017, 11:57 (Ref:3776585)   #452
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Having looked at that table if it had been played out in 2017, I can see the merits for it. Hopefully it will be worth keeping an eye on in 2018
Just to see how it would have worked for a few relatively recent additions to the grid:

Adam Morgan. Debut in 2012 having won a drive as a prize. A lot of retirements early on before showing signs of promise later on. Would have remained eligible for JST in 2013.

Tom Ingram. Debut in 2014. Would have been eligible for JST in 2015 and would probably have been in contention following some good results later in the season.

Aiden Moffatt. Debut in 2013 from R19 and would have remained eligible in 2014 and 2015.


All three had rookie seasons that would have seen them struggle to compete for JST, but have developed into strong performers and surely deserved at least a second bite of the cherry.
I think it is a bit harsh to refer to all of those who are not rookies as perennial backmarkers - and those that are will not be challenging for the trophy anyway.
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Old 26 Oct 2017, 13:30 (Ref:3776601)   #453
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AmD back again next year - http://www.btcccrazy.co.uk/btcc/amd-tuning-targeting-independent-titles-in-2018-after-re-affirming-btcc-commitment/
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Old 26 Oct 2017, 14:00 (Ref:3776610)   #454
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And the team is targeting the indipendent championship next year. If they want to be in fight, they should bring in the team someone of the caliber of Mat Jackson or Morgan or Goff for example but these drivers should be start the next season again with their 2017 teams.

Aron Smith or Josh Cook would be mega for this team if available. Second chance for the Clio champion Bushell?
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Old 26 Oct 2017, 16:04 (Ref:3776627)   #455
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JST as a cup for rookies was much more reasonable as it is with Rookie of the Year in NASCAR for example. New rules are a bit messy, completely unnecessary. Why should we recognize drivers who've never made it to the podium and give them some trophies? For being the best of the worst? Illogical.
You're overthinking this. Yes, backmarkers will be eligible for this, but they aren't going to win the trophy. You still have to beat all the other eligible drivers consistently, and if a genuine rookie isn't consistently not only beating the likes of Lines and Depper, then perhaps they shouldn't be in the BTCC.

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They've just turned it into a charity class. Totally unnecessary. This isn't GT racing.
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A separate trophy for Rookies against perennial back markers doesn't exactly inspire. I would rather see just the rookies battle it out for this, even if there is only a handful of them.
What if there's only one or two of them? Give someone a trophy for being the only rookie? Or being the least bad of two?

If you don't have half a dozen rookies, then how valid is any rookie championship really?

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So say a rookie comes in a gets pipped to this trophy by someone who has been in the series for years - lets say Martin Depper (I have nothing against him BTW), then this really makes me wonder if they have this setup right?
But Depper isn't going to win this.
If it had been in place this year it would have gone to Epps - he's only in his second season, and wasn't far off Sutton to win the JST in 2016.

This gives talented drivers, like Epps, Hill and Whorton-Eales, who don't have the opportunity to race for BMR or WSR, a reason to stay in the BTCC instead of going to do something else.
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Old 27 Oct 2017, 12:35 (Ref:3776764)   #456
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Just to see how it would have worked for a few relatively recent additions to the grid:

Adam Morgan. Debut in 2012 having won a drive as a prize. A lot of retirements early on before showing signs of promise later on. Would have remained eligible for JST in 2013.

Tom Ingram. Debut in 2014. Would have been eligible for JST in 2015 and would probably have been in contention following some good results later in the season.

Aiden Moffatt. Debut in 2013 from R19 and would have remained eligible in 2014 and 2015.


All three had rookie seasons that would have seen them struggle to compete for JST, but have developed into strong performers and surely deserved at least a second bite of the cherry.
I think it is a bit harsh to refer to all of those who are not rookies as perennial backmarkers - and those that are will not be challenging for the trophy anyway.
And James Cole would have been eligible from 2013 to 17. Just shows how a lot of drivers improve with time
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Old 30 Oct 2017, 10:14 (Ref:3777437)   #457
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Let the rumours begin!

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Old 30 Oct 2017, 11:28 (Ref:3777458)   #458
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As the SMMT figutes have just come out, I thought I would take a look at Subaru figures to see if their BTCC involvement has increased sales. They only sold 2,118 cars in the year to date (Sept 17) which was 24% down on the same period last year. I was curious as recently the 2nd dealer group locally to have a stab at the Subaru franchise gave it up after about a year, with not much to show for it, so they appear to be a hard sell for whatever reason, price, emissions??

MG, by the way mustered up 3,321 sales to date - more or less the same as the same period last year.

The old adage used to be race on Sunday, sell on Monday, I wonder if that still holds true?
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Old 30 Oct 2017, 12:17 (Ref:3777473)   #459
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they appear to be a hard sell for whatever reason, price, emissions???
Subaru UK needs to take a long hard look at the US operation.

It's one thing investing in motorsport, it's quite another activating it.

Subaru US enters the AMA rally championship and the GRC and they actively tell people a lot more than Subaru UK do. Be it increased social media, email campaigns, promoted posts, merchandise, Subaru fan days/events, competitions, an 'Enthusiast' section of their website, dealer interactions etc. plus PR headline-grabbing stunts like the Isle of Man/Nurburgring laps or the bobsled run. Then there's the excellent Launch Control video series.

An animated .GIF promoted on Twitter and a news article on the UK website when Sutton won the title simply wasn't enough.

Plus it could be argued they shouldn't be using the Levorg, but the WRX STI. I understand that the STI is a limited import run each year, but there is a huge following of that car still. Using that one model, with that brand that millions recognise, improves the whole Subaru brand, gains a following and enhances recognition. Then you could have STI owners meets at each BTCC round, or window stickers for WRX fans etc. Perhaps they went into it thinking wins = Levorg sales. But wins should be shouted about and used to invest in the brand, not direct sales.

That being said, it's great that they are in the BTCC.

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Old 30 Oct 2017, 12:57 (Ref:3777480)   #460
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Agreed it is good to see Subaru and any other manufacturers in the BTCC. To my mind Subaru is a curious brand, it many ways the Forester was the first SUV and is often the case, early adopters that 'create the market' don't make the market work for them as things like lack of dealer distribution and general marketing muscle can't deliver volume sales and bigger manufacturers can come to the market relatively late and hit the ground running through wider dealer network, more routes to sales through finance deals, etc. Anyway, I digress...
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It might be my dodgy memory but I'm sure I remember reading from Plato or Faux in one of the trade engineering mags that they chose the Levorg because it had a lower drag co-efficient than any other eligible Subaru?
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Is there any chance of someone like a Plato doing both BTCC and TCR UK next year?
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Is there any chance of someone like a Plato doing both BTCC and TCR UK next year?
Not sure about Plato, but a few drivers have expressed interest. Ash Sutton has done a test for one of the new TCR teams already, Shedden will be driving at the TCR International finale and perhaps there's a chance for Matt Jackson with Motorbase too?
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Subaru is never going to be anything other than a bit part in the UK market: they simply do not produce vehicles that appeal to 99% of the car buying public.

They're all estate-cum-SUV but without the costume jewellery or style.

The WRX sells tiny numbers these days and the BRZ coupe doesn't attract buyers either - a fast hatch would, but a lukewarm coupe will not.

The new Impreza won't sell either...

Sadly I have nothing positive to say! Long gone are the McRae and Burns days. RIP.
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Alex Rullo from the Supercars in the BTCC?
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That would be a bit random if it happened.
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Nice to have a bit of international flavour in the series. But I wonder which team are in contact with him. Any ideas?
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Maybe Triple Eight or BMR?
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Tony Gilham on Twitter: So the 1st @TeamHardRacing @DunlopBTCC driver for 2018 will be announced at midday this Friday. #1st

Make of it what you will, but this tweet was liked by Josh Cook and the teaser silhouette does look a little bit like him...?
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Tony Gilham on Twitter: So the 1st @TeamHardRacing @DunlopBTCC driver for 2018 will be announced at midday this Friday. #1st

Make of it what you will, but this tweet was liked by Josh Cook and the teaser silhouette does look a little bit like him...?
In the replies someone has said it looks like Mike Epps, to which Epps has replied "#Busted".

Could be a double bluff of course...
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Andrew Jordan confirms via twitter that he is staying at WSR
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Good for Jordan, some continuity will be vital for him. Hopefully, he'll be able to get even better results next year as 2017 wasn't particularly lucky for him.

Rullo in BTCC would be an interesting move, I wonder what teams are in contact with him.
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I am glad AJ is for once staying where he is for another season. Hopefully with a season of RWD under his belt, he will be much more consistent
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Bizarre.
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