German ATS F3 Cup cancelled for 2015

[bella]

eeeexactly. just one sentence there tells you all you need to know about the way the fia is viewing the current f3 format.

...it is understood that the FIA feels that such a modification could theoretically offer an aerodynamic advantage.

that might mean that the new car becomes the one to have. and dallara have to up their game. oh noes.

on the other hand that would mean dallara would need to spend more on development, which would find its way back to the teams via the chassis cost, spares cost and the budget required to compete.

the last paragraph quoted by m'learned colleague above with the unspellable name is the most telling bit. if the only bits that are homologated are specifically for the dallara, then they'd have to get new bits written into the regs. presumably at a sizeable cost which makes the economics for a small chassis provider very difficult indeed.

end result: it's a spec formula.

[Juntos]

Stereotypes aside, just a fat-red face FIA officer could believe that those Russians artisans are taking an aerodynamic advantage out of a basic solution.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. And even the most disciplined people can resort to destruction. But I don't believe Dallara would be ashamed to have a competitor to smash for once.

[kipper]

Originally Posted by mgcsaylor

And how many of those teams from the German, British and Italian series of 2011 were truly championship-caliber teams or drivers?

By my reckoning Kevin Magnussen, Felipe Nasr, Jack Harvey, Harry Tincknell, Scott Pye, Valterri Bottas, Mitch Evans, Antonio Felix da Costa, Alex Sims, Marco Wittmann, Raffaele Marciello, Roberto Merhi, Daniel Juncadella, Richie Stanaway, Tom Blonqvist, Marco Sorensen, Mikhail Aleshin, and Tom Dillmann all appeared - at various times - in the 2011 British and German F3 championships. To my mind, it is not a bad list.

[mgcsaylor]

Kipper, I see your point. I would venture a guess they raced for the best teams - Prema, Carlin, Mucke, etc. The teams that couldn't win back then can't support an independent series now. Big surprise there.

[bella]

no they didn't.

stanaway was with van amersfoort, sorensen with brandl racing, aleshin raced for art-line in a modified version of something signature came up with and raced in the euro series about 10 years ago. hitech had afdc, bottas was with double r racing as was mitch evans and marko asmer. sims with motopark. dillmann with art-line, blomqvist with performance racing.

many of those teams were guys doing a similar job to the big teams on a considerably smaller budget.

[mgcsaylor]

And many of them are also now in Euro F3 - Van Amersfoort, Motopark, Double R included.

Again I say, the teams that didn't "advance" into the FIA championship, for the lack of a better term, weren't able to keep their respective series alive.

The fault lies with them and the organizers of their series. Not the FIA for wanting to come up with something better.

[LavidaLoca]

FIA Did not help national F3 organisers with FIA F3 Test Regulation

[bella]

Originally Posted by mgcsaylor

And many of them are also now in Euro F3 - Van Amersfoort, Motopark, Double R included.

yes, because the fia made their previous series extinct - or at least unable to use the "formula 3" description. the smaller teams, who could run to a smaller budget because of lower overheads were unable to make that work in a european series. like you see lots of small entrants in the nec/alps formula renault series who wouldn't be able to sell their product for the eurocup but have plenty of people wanting to buy a seat at a price they can afford.

and there's the point that you miss. you might criticise those teams who were too small to survive the jump to a european formula 3 series, but whilst they were putting bums on seats, and covering their overheads ultimately you still had more formula 3 cars racing, a bigger market for the second hand chassis, and more people in employment at that level.

i can understand the fia being keen to protect their brand at european level, but the nec/alps model with formula renault proved that there's absolutely a market for a lower cost, closer to home version of the european big brother. it also keeps the guys within the brand - one year in nec/alps with sporadic eurocup appearances, second full season in the eurocup with sporadic nec/alps experience.

/rant

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Rant but unarguably accurate.

[ivanalesi]

mgcsaylor, don't mix team budgets with team quality & ability! Some of the smaller teams in Germany were quite handy at times and they were fully capable of surprising the big names. Remember, Van Amersfoort nearly won the title on their first attempt, Double R have always been quite fast at Macau with the proper drivers and Motopark guided Russian Times quite well in GP2.
Currently EF3 is running on a wave after Verstappen, budget are high and surprisingly for you they are higher than GP3. Both are spec cars.
I expect this season to be a lot more mixed, so some of the big name teams will have to lower their price tags.

[JD Media]

Performance Racing that did a lot of races in Germany will go racing in 2015 with Akash Nandy in the 'Remus Pokal'.. Races in Czech, Germany & Austria with Formula Master cars, Formula 3, Formula Renault cars and Formel Master cars...

Guess some other German teams will join them aswell...

[Formulahistory]

I hoped that Performance would join Auto-GP...

[JD Media]

Originally Posted by Formulahistory

I hoped that Performance would join Auto-GP...

They still can They have the car(s) already

[Juntos]

Originally Posted by JD Media

Performance Racing that did a lot of races in Germany will go racing in 2015 with Akash Nandy in the 'Remus Pokal'.. Races in Czech, Germany & Austria with Formula Master cars, Formula 3, Formula Renault cars and Formel Master cars...

Very sad.