Indycar News & Rumors.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by 2 litre Touring Car Star

I can't tell where you actually believe your point, it if you're trying to troll me.

What are the FIA protecting with F1? Nothing. If anything, they're diminishing F1.

F2-3 are just stepping stone classes, and there's nothing to protect other than an F1 clique.

Defined routes to F1 is a brittle idea since drivers ultimately have to take responsibility of their own careers.

What are the FIA protecting F2/3 from exactly, a stepping stone where the likely F2 champ this season(and defending F3 champ) won't have an F1 drive next year?

The FIA are acting in accordance with their statutes, that include the following:

'Promoting the development of motor sport, improving safety in motor sport, enacting, interpreting and enforcing common rules applicable to the organisation and the fair and equitable running of motor sport competitions'

By over-recognition of motor sport that is sanctioned outside of their organisation, they diminish their ability to enforce common rules.

I understand (and agree) that Indycar drivers have the talent to earn more points - but when your organisation (FIA) structure places the sanctioning body as a regional club, you can't deviate too much.

As it is (from an FIA perspective) they are already effectively awarding to Super License points to a regional club series.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

The FIA are acting in accordance with their statutes, that include the following:

'Promoting the development of motor sport, improving safety in motor sport, enacting, interpreting and enforcing common rules applicable to the organisation and the fair and equitable running of motor sport competitions'

By over-recognition of motor sport that is sanctioned outside of their organisation, they diminish their ability to enforce common rules.

I understand (and agree) that Indycar drivers have the talent to earn more points - but when your organisation (FIA) structure places the sanctioning body as a regional club, you can't deviate too much.

As it is (from an FIA perspective) they are already effectively awarding to Super License points to a regional club series.

IndyCar isn't an FIA sanctioned regional club series, it is its own entity and is only affiliated with the FIA through ACCUS, the Automobile Competition Committee for the United States.

[broadrun96]

I believe he was more referring to the points allocation relative F2/3 Super Formula points toward a SuperLicense than actually being a sanctioning body.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

I believe he was more referring to the points allocation relative F2/3 Super Formula points toward a SuperLicense than actually being a sanctioning body.

Fair enough.

[2 litre Touring Car Star]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

The FIA are acting in accordance with their statutes, that include the following:

'Promoting the development of motor sport, improving safety in motor sport, enacting, interpreting and enforcing common rules applicable to the organisation and the fair and equitable running of motor sport competitions'

By over-recognition of motor sport that is sanctioned outside of their organisation, they diminish their ability to enforce common rules.

I understand (and agree) that Indycar drivers have the talent to earn more points - but when your organisation (FIA) structure places the sanctioning body as a regional club, you can't deviate too much.

As it is (from an FIA perspective) they are already effectively awarding to Super License points to a regional club series.

Laughable and delusional from the FIA.

[S griffin]

I do agree there has been some European snobbery towards Indycar in the past and should be given more credit. However F1 will always be the top series

[bjohnsonsmith]

IndyCar to start tests on the new engine in early 2022.


https://racer.com/2021/10/28/new-ind...in-early-2022/

[mstets]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

IndyCar to start tests on the new engine in early 2022.


https://racer.com/2021/10/28/new-ind...in-early-2022/

I wonder if there will be a lottery to see which teams get first crack at testing the new engine packages. I expect not but it might be interesting to see Coyne and ECR get the first engines, rather than Ganassi and Penske.

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by mstets

I wonder if there will be a lottery to see which teams get first crack at testing the new engine packages. I expect not but it might be interesting to see Coyne and ECR get the first engines, rather than Ganassi and Penske.

That's exactly how it goes, teams get testing slots as they have in the past. Some teams opt out for cost reasons in the past, think Chevy and Honda paid part of the funds

[broadrun96]

Looks like another Indy Lights winner will have a rough time finding a seat with his 1.5 million. MP says Kirkwood's seat at AA was contingent on Herta going to F1 when Andretti spent others money to buy Sauber. That didn't happen so he's out of the seat at AA and was a free agent for any other team at midnight last night.

https://racer.com/2021/11/01/pruett-...ber-1-edition/

Other bits of news, pretty much nothing new it seems. And lots of empty chairs since the music ain't stopped yet

[mstets]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

That's exactly how it goes, teams get testing slots as they have in the past. Some teams opt out for cost reasons in the past, think Chevy and Honda paid part of the funds

I didn't keep up with how the brand specific aero package testing was handled, so not sure how it's been handled in the past. I seem to remember some squawking from smaller teams who were left out of early aeroscreen testing. Still not clear on the process.

[mstets]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

Looks like another Indy Lights winner will have a rough time finding a seat with his 1.5 million. MP says Kirkwood's seat at AA was contingent on Herta going to F1 when Andretti spent others money to buy Sauber. That didn't happen so he's out of the seat at AA and was a free agent for any other team at midnight last night.

https://racer.com/2021/11/01/pruett-...ber-1-edition/

Other bits of news, pretty much nothing new it seems. And lots of empty chairs since the music ain't stopped yet

Has Coyne announced any drivers for certain? Dale typically waits for opportunities like this to develop.

[2 litre Touring Car Star]

How much would a full season cost with one of the smaller teams?

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by mstets

Has Coyne announced any drivers for certain? Dale typically waits for opportunities like this to develop.

Sato all but confirmed and Malukas tested with them recently so the assumption is they will be the pairing.

The DCR w/RWR entry is very much up in the air without any signs of a driver or program so the "third" car might be gone

[NaBUru38]

A friend interviewed Juan Ignacio "Fufi" Cáceres, a Uruguayan racecar driver that had a forgettable Dale Coyne ride in 2006, and has promoted races in Punta del Este (including the ePrix).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_Ac0wovCWY

[mstets]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

Sato all but confirmed and Malukas tested with them recently so the assumption is they will be the pairing.
The DCR w/RWR entry is very much up in the air without any signs of a driver or program so the "third" car might be gone

That sounded likely from what I had read, but why was Malukas in a Penske at IMS yesterday? He's obviously not headed to Penske for 2022, so why in a Penske car for the test?

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by mstets

That sounded likely from what I had read, but why was Malukas in a Penske at IMS yesterday? He's obviously not headed to Penske for 2022, so why in a Penske car for the test?

I believe the Penske car is offered in the Griffis Memorial Test, it is for Road to Indy drivers and is not related to testing for a single team but rather testing in the next level up. I can't remember exactly the details of who gets selected and what team is used for the test. But Penske at Indy isn't a bad test, even if you're driving with your Indy Lights insert so it doesn't fit

[broadrun96]

Detroit City Council approved moving the Detroit GP from Belle Isle today, apparently some minor revisions were made to the layout as well

https://racer.com/2021/11/03/detroit...-step-forward/

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by 2 litre Touring Car Star

How much would a full season cost with one of the smaller teams?

It appears a seat at most of the smaller teams is in the neighborhood of 3 million/year from you, if they have other support. Even with 2 million it sounds like Ferrucci will be left out of a full season ride and left hoping for an Indy or partial season package

[S griffin]

I wonder why they go with Penske for the test? I guess they need an established team in Indycar, it makes it easier.

I do think Road to Indy has done a great job and tbh I don’t think there is a big jump from Indy Lights to Indycars really

[2 litre Touring Car Star]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

It appears a seat at most of the smaller teams is in the neighborhood of 3 million/year from you, if they have other support. Even with 2 million it sounds like Ferrucci will be left out of a full season ride and left hoping for an Indy or partial season package

Relatively speaking, I'd say that's probably the best value for any high/professional level motor racing anywhere in the world?

The ratio of car performance/tracks raced on/depth and quality of competition/big races, would have to be the best?

If I was a sufficiently capable and wealthy pay driver but had access to $1-2mil a year, I think I'd prefer to have a partial season in Indycar than a full season elsewhere.

[Jiiiiiiim]

I see Nico Hulkenberg has ruled himself out of switching to Indycars for personal reasons. Shame as I think he’d have been a great addition, but with a new baby daughter and a settled life it’s probably a big move to head out to the States.

[broadrun96]

Canadian confirmed to replace the exiting Canadian at AA. Kirkwood on the outside with his cash, possibly considering SPAM

https://racer.com/2021/11/04/defranc...e-up-for-2022/

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I wonder why they go with Penske for the test? I guess they need an established team in Indycar, it makes it easier.

I do think Road to Indy has done a great job and tbh I don’t think there is a big jump from Indy Lights to Indycars really

Why don't you think there is a big jump from Indy Lights to IndyCar?

[S griffin]

Because Indycar seems to have the same characteristics as an Indy Light, with a bit more power.