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View Poll Results: Where will the WEC US round 2017 be held?
Circuit of the Americas (early September? with PCW?) 17 36.96%
Indy - plenty of history and, more importantly, plenty of run off 6 13.04%
Montreal - close enough to the US border and would serve US N-E audience very well 8 17.39%
Road America - the only right choice but lots of 'upgrading' to do to please the FIA blue blazers 7 15.22%
no US (or Canadian) round at all - the WEC doesn't need a race there anyway... 6 13.04%
somewhere else in North or South America (Brazil???) 2 4.35%
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Old 4 Sep 2016, 12:52 (Ref:3669967)   #76
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That race was a classic!
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Not sure if anyone actually read fogelhund's full post, but he recommended IMSA run separately on Sunday after the 12 hour. WEC would race the 12 hour by itself.

It makes sense to me, since one series is a world championship of the highest level in sportscars, and the other is a regional series. Unfortunately the regional series seems to think they are the pinnacle, and would never stand down to allow WEC to run the 12 hour on Saturday and run an afterthought support 2:40 race on Sunday.
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Old 4 Sep 2016, 13:49 (Ref:3669982)   #78
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Not sure if anyone actually read fogelhund's full post, but he recommended IMSA run separately on Sunday after the 12 hour. WEC would race the 12 hour by itself.

It makes sense to me, since one series is a world championship of the highest level in sportscars, and the other is a regional series. Unfortunately the regional series seems to think they are the pinnacle, and would never stand down to allow WEC to run the 12 hour on Saturday and run an afterthought support 2:40 race on Sunday.
I read it but didn't understand the logic. Why would IMSA give up one of their biggest events?
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I read it but didn't understand the logic. Why would IMSA give up one of their biggest events?
It would simplify the beginning of the season for the teams, and potentially reduce costs through less running.
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Perhaps this is paramount to blasphemy, but I think it might suit all, to make the Sebring 12 hours, a WEC event again.

It's a great endurance event, and putting it back on the International Calendar, would benefit the event, and the series.

As far as IMSA... there is a cost issue already, with the expanded racing time from the combined Grand Am and ALMS days, reducing running time by nine hours, might be a good way to start reducing some of the track time, to try and bring some costs in line Run the IMSA 2:45 on Sunday...
I'm not sure that would suit anyone. On the WEC side, I honestly don’t know if they would take Sebring as their event if offered it. As a Grade 2 circuit, it doesn’t fit their current business model. Running the 12 Hour also would increase team costs (6 more hours of racing, more shipping costs) and have the season start earlier. WEC teams also apparently prefer not having any flyaways before Le Mans.

As for IMSA, why would they ever do this? The 12 Hours of Sebring is one of IMSA’s most valuable properties — it’s a famous race that gets lots of media attention. It’s the race that gets the second most entries every year and very likely draws the most fans. More generally, Sebring is one of the reasons that teams and drivers want to race in IMSA’s top series. So I’m not sure that getting rid of the race actually increases car count during the rest of the reason. I’m also not sure that IMSA actually wants to see car counts that much higher than they currently are (42 at Laguna Seca, 41 at Road America seems pretty much OK).

If costs actually are a huge concern, then there are other places IMSA could and would cut first — basically anything besides the 24 Hours of Daytona and the 12 Hours of Sebring. The two later NAEC races, for example, don’t draw many extra entries and IMSA has to license the Petit Le Mans name from the ACO…
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Is the Daytona Roval a Grade 1 track?
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Daytona is Grade 2.
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Or run the Sebring 12 hours, twice a year. Once for IMSA and a second time for WEC in the fall.....
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Would love to see Sebring but surely the FIA would see it as too bumpy for P1 these days
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Sadly I doubt it will ever happen but it would be great as long as it is not a point scoring race for IMSA as well and we have 10 different podium ceremonies like in 2012.

Also it would be a great start to the season and mix up the length of the races which needs to happen to add some variety
It's significantly easier with a common P2 class, no PC, and moving GTD into their own event for the weekend it wcould work.

IMSA wouldnt give up their spotlight though, even if it would benefit both parties significantly.... I'm sure that if it was proposed, I think you'd not hear a negative comment.
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Would love to see Sebring but surely the FIA would see it as too bumpy for P1 these days
Think they're more worried about the concrete barriers and virtually no runoff area.
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Not really, since the FIA states that LMP1 can run on Grade 2 tracks, of which Sebring is one. I'd bet that they're more concerned about their VIPs and press people not getting F1 grade facilities. Even LM, which is Grade 2 for the LM24, has F1 class garage and press facilities.

Ironically, Monaco at best using the FIA's strictest definitions would be at best Grade 2, as would Mexico City if they bypassed the baseball stadium like NASCAR did with the Xfinity Series
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Not really, since the FIA states that LMP1 can run on Grade 2 tracks, of which Sebring is one. I'd bet that they're more concerned about their VIPs and press people not getting F1 grade facilities. Even LM, which is Grade 2 for the LM24, has F1 class garage and press facilities.

Ironically, Monaco at best using the FIA's strictest definitions would be at best Grade 2, as would Mexico City if they bypassed the baseball stadium like NASCAR did with the Xfinity Series
Agree, any grade 2 can be recertified at any point, and if it meets the minimums for safety, and infrastructure, be upgraded for the event for F1.

Sportscars only require a Grade 2. If a track who would be graded as a 2, or could be graded as a 2 wanted a WEC event, had the required financial ability, and could support a round, there would be no logical reason to deny them if a round were to be added or replaced. The problem is, the WEC doesn't draw as well as it could.

Some of that is due to the facilities and promotors, the other half is down to the location. COTA is a terrible place to have the US WEC round when there are plenty of other options available if they so chose. It comes down to what they'd prefer to showcase, currently, that appears to be manufactuer/sponsor appeasement.
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Ironically, Monaco at best using the FIA's strictest definitions would be at best Grade 2, as would Mexico City if they bypassed the baseball stadium like NASCAR did with the Xfinity Series
Monaco gets an exception that even the FIA admits would never be allowed if Monaco was not the classic race they want on the calendar. Think it even has an asterisk on their list of Grade 1 tracks.

Mexico is intriguing as it definitely looked like a tight track with walls rather than the wide open spaces I'd expect from a 'modern' track. Don't think I thought about the grade during the race but mention it and that comes to mind thinking back on the race.
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The layout of Mexico City now similar to what NASCAR used to run would probably be Grade 2 because of how close the wall would be in the final corner and the speeds that a LMP1 or F1 car can achieve.
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Not really, since the FIA states that LMP1 can run on Grade 2 tracks, of which Sebring is one. I'd bet that they're more concerned about their VIPs and press people not getting F1 grade facilities. Even LM, which is Grade 2 for the LM24, has F1 class garage and press facilities.

Ironically, Monaco at best using the FIA's strictest definitions would be at best Grade 2, as would Mexico City if they bypassed the baseball stadium like NASCAR did with the Xfinity Series
Fia grading isn't what I was talking about. The bigger concern for the wec is the track's surroundings and of course facilities not it's bumps.

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The layout of Mexico City now similar to what NASCAR used to run would probably be Grade 2 because of how close the wall would be in the final corner and the speeds that a LMP1 or F1 car can achieve.
Mexico City isn't on the November 26, 2015 FIA list of circuits, but such FIA lists are known to have omissions. In any case, given that F1 is racing there, we know that the circuit is Grade 1.
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GTE-Am to turn into Ferrari Challenge:

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/g...ations-freeze/

Perfect timing to kill off the GTE-Am for 2018 and have one GT class with just an Am classification.

ELMS already has an Am requirement anyway.
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GTE-Am to turn into Ferrari Challenge:

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/g...ations-freeze/

Perfect timing to kill off the GTE-Am for 2018 and have one GT class with just an Am classification.

ELMS already has an Am requirement anyway.
Maybe, depending upon car count in the other classes and whether GT convergence happens. The knock-on effect may be that ELMS also goes back to having an all pro GT class.
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GTE in ELMS will stick with an Am component, even their top class (LMP2) has it.

Talking about LMP2...

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...-round-up.html
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Talking about LMP2...

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...-round-up.html
Well, let's say the ACO would face an interesting choice especially if GT convergence happens. Presumably more manufacturers would want to race in the WEC, squeezing GTE-Am out. What happens at Le Mans, with its capped grid size? Would it keep a GTE-Am class just for ELMS, AsLMS, and IMSA teams? And if it doesn’t, then what’s the point the point of ELMS’ GTE class, with its Am component?
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what’s the point the point of ELMS’ GTE class, with its Am component?
Every car on the grid is funded by an Am. Factories don't want to race in the ELMS GTE class. The Am's are how they get entries.

Personally, I'd be fine racing in a non-Am enforced GTE class, but most people footing the bills don't feel the same way.

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Every car on the grid is funded by an Am. Factories don't want to race in the ELMS GTE class. The Am's are how they get entries.

Personally, I'd be fine racing in a non-Am enforced GTE class, but most people footing the bills don't feel the same way.

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That's because you are trying to do it the old school way when AM's just sucked it up and ran with pro's. Thus, many AM's just had to get better because the bar was so far up there. As of now, it's just lowered for AM's because the talent pool is lower. In the end, the incentive to get better just doesn't happen like it used to.

It's like my son who is in advanced placement math. He busts his hump to get B's. If they would place him on the lower version, he would ace everything. Then he'd have no incentive to get better but we could celebrate with endless FB and Twitter posts.

As for a sanctioning body, if you need to have an AM class to get more entries to pay the bills, then so be it. If I wanted to run in the WEC, it would be in GTE-AM just because the class exists and I meet the criteria. I'd still do GTE it if they didn't have an AM class but since I have the option, might as well go the one that I fit into. That's why PWC will be great next year with all of the sub classes they will have along with separating out Sprint with Sprint X. I think with all of the classes, there will be around 12 PWC champions for 2017.
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