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I am now totally sold on the idea.
And if people don't like the idea the FIA should tie them to a chair and play catch the pigeon music in a loop at them. |
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I'm about to totally mess up your childhood. Its stop the pigeon. Google it and you still won't believe it after watching the intro again for hours.
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OMG, Nooooooooooooooooo!
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Hang on that's a 2 seater !
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You can always tell the age of the designers of such "study" images when they use the late 80s/early 90s liveries to showcase their work.
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I do wish they'd get rid of those ugly winglets on the car, come on they add nothing to F1
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Opinions may vary, but this (and other similar renderings in this thread) does show that a visually pleasing solution can be implemented. But IMHO, there really was no doubt that could be done.
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I'm not sure I agree that these concepts are useless in an open formula. We already have regulations which were designed to get rid of dildo noses, stepped noses, and ugly wing attachments. Even for 2018, the wider cars, wider tyres are to try and give a more aggressive look to the vehicles, after we went through a phase of stupid toy looking cars. We already use regulations to try and define a certain aesthetic to the cars, it's just a bit harder to achieve in an open regulation series.
A vehicle will never ever come out looking like an artists impression (the spec IndyCar does not look identical to the original concept), but you can influence them with regulations. Some will argue that that's a bad thing and we shouldn't do that, but it's been happening for decades now anyway. People already complain that the cars are too similar because the boxes they have to build the cars in are too defined. Well engineers can't unlearn things, so you can't get rid of those boxes. All I'm suggesting here is move the boxes about to a more visually pleasing position (which is what they did for 2018 - it just can go further). That's no different to what we have now, just the parameters moved. Of course this topic is originally about head protection, which IS a spec part, so can be made to look good. But F1 isn't interested in bringing in a design consultant or even an engineering team to find a good solution - it's interested in being different so it doesn't have to copy anyone else. It's about making a certain solution work, rather than finding the best solution. Basic engineering processes wouldn't allow you to throw away concepts after 2 minutes of field testing, which is what they have done. |
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along the lines of engineers cant unlearn things...a question, which may or may not be missing the point on my part, comes to mind.
how much does the Halo weigh? with drivers already struggling to shed weight, does a halo mean that there will be more pressure on the drivers to drop weight in order to achieve a better balance in the cars? |
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You won't have seen on Sky's coverage before Hungary they had the Williams one that was trialled, I think they stated a weight, but on lifting it, (it was awkward but) it didn't seem that heavy relatively speaking, as it's titanium. They did mention about the challenge to the designers of that extra weight being higher up on the car and how it would effect the handling.
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However, if you ignore the visual and read the text (using the first article as my source) and focus on ideas and not visual concepts (which illustrate solutions without defining the problem), then I can consider what is being said (because it is Renault and they have influence). Ideas such as... * Closed cockpit for safety reasons * All wheel drive * Dynamic aero * Telemetry that is accessible to fans * Active suspension Richard |
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Yeah then just like the F1 when the the engineers then try to maximise the basic design, things get ugly...
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I guess if you are going to play that card Richard we can have a look at the F?A XX
Still pretty, but I am not sure that the logic holds up. Interesting and short piece here: http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the...stealthy-12193 and then there is the F=22 |
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And here I was hoping they would find a way to make them invisible!
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